User blog comment:Dual Energon/What I think makes HTTYD 2 the supremely better movie./@comment-24018437-20151113155518/@comment-24865409-20151116210434

@ Megadracosaurus

If the vikings just want to survive, why don't they try a different, pacifistic tactic that Hiccup proves to be actually working?

Instead they just use the same stupid fight-and-fight tactic over and over, which is not working.

'' "Would you willingly walk up to a lion without any defense whatsoever and without any garantee its not gonna attack? Most people would think you're mad." ''

Valka just walked up to a predator to try and make peace with it. That's NOT crazy.

And even so, it appears flimsy that only 2 people over the course of 300 years would try a different approach to the dragons.

'' "That's also because he (Gobber) and Stoick have a history together." ''

So if that's why Gobber is respected, then by that logic Hiccup should at least be respected by the tribe for the fact that he is Stoick's son.

'' "Who said he did indeed? He never said anything about making weapons for the Tribe. He also never offered someone else to try it. So...Yeah, why would we assume he was making them for everyone?" ''

Fine. This can go both ways.

There is no proof to suggest that he made weapons for others.

BUT there is no proof to say that he didn't either.

So it can go both ways. Let's just leave it at that.

About your answer to being "a good warrior with honour"...

Your right, that has always been a variable hit-or-miss topic.

Before I move onto this point, the only reson why I might use the show or certain specials - which I don't consider canon - against you is because you consider them canon.

'' "He (Stoick) visited several isles to discuss things, and he invited the Berserkers over to Berk to sign a peace treaty." ''

How do you know that it wasn't out of fear that he signed it, rather than diplomacy?

I'm pretty sure the Berkians (in the past) didn't want a war with the Berserkers because the latter tribe were lethal, deranged fighters.

(However, as the Berkians have got dragons now, they are not afraid to fight the Berserkers as need be.)

'' "The legs are too short, the face is too flat etc." ''

What's that got to do with making sure an animal is friendly enough to domesticate?

'' "I admire Hiccup was confident enough to throw away his weapon in order to befriend Hookfang, but if one would do that in real life with an actual predator, he or she would be dead." ''

That's just it! Hiccup was able to tame Hookfang until bloody idiots decided to jump in!

'' "And yes, this is how real domestication works. It's not laying your hand on the head of the animal you want to befriend or take it out on a ride." ''

Then HTTYD 1 truly is overrated.

 "He never was where he should be. Which he indeed doesn't. " 

Because his tribe never wanted him anywhere at all (bar Gobber).

'' "If Hiccup actually would have used common sense and strategy instead of blindy rushing in or doing nothing, he could be a valueble asset in battle." ''

The reason why Hiccup "blindly rushes in" at the beginning is because he is following the TRIBE'S stupid metnality of "attack first, think later".

He was trying to be one of them. Because they wanted him to be one of them.

When Hiccup is being himself, he actually uses common sense and strategy.

Not to mention that common sense and strategy was never a part of the Berkians' former way of thinking. They just attacked and attacked.

'' "Gobber's advice was harsh but true. And in the end, Hiccup indeed stopped trying to be something he wasn't. And guess what? It was for the better." ''

You're right about not trying to be something you aren't.

What you're wrong about is that Hiccup actually listened to that.

Not to mention the fact that despite that advice, Hiccup is forced to enter dragon training anyways. Even when that is not something he is.

And that's the only bit of good advice ever given to Hiccup in the movie.

'' "And let's not forget 'Men who kill for no reason can't be reasoned with'. And this is also where Hiccup's stubborniss is shown very well." ''

That was in the context of HTTYD 2, where Hiccup is NOT presented as a Gary Stu, unlike in HTTYD 1.

'' "But the Red Death and the Green Death (Aka Merciless) aren't the same Dragon. Merciless was also aggresive and ferocious, but it was also intelligent, and Hiccup could talk with him. The Red Death was just aggresive, ferocious and we don't how intelligent it was. Plus, Hiccup just figured out how to train Dragons. I think the Red Death would have been too much." ''

Those are the problems that come from butchering the (far superior) Books.

'' "There was a reason behind the Tribe's behavior." ''

Even so, if their behaviour is not excusable, then they should have apologized.

Which they didn't.

'' "And speaking of apologizing, Hiccup never said sorry either for anything he did wrong either. Destroying half of the village right when winter is around the corner and we'll all starve to death? Almost get your classmates killed? He gets away with a lot of stuff if you think about it." ''

He does say sorry to his dad after the Nightmare caused the destruction.

Let's not forget that he is publicly called out on what you perceive to be his wrongdoings.

So Hiccup destroyed half the village (even though it was the Nightmare), and giving a "sorry" wasn't enough... Well it's time to publicly berate and tell him he will never be as great as we are!

Almost got your classmates killed? One of them vents their frustration of Hiccup in front of the class.

So no. What you perceive to be Hiccup's wrongdoings, he doesn't get away with without either apologizing or being berated for it.

On the other hand though...

Hiccup never calls out Stoick for the terrible parenting and disownment.

Hiccup never calls out the village for the crap they've given him.

Nor does he call them out for the times they've turned their backs on him.

Hiccup doesn't call them out on the fact that they didn't appreciate him until he rises to the top in training.

Hiccup doesn't call them out for the loss of his leg. He tried to warn them about the Red Death, but NO! They went to fight, Hiccup needed to bail them out and he lost his leg in the process! But even so he doesn't call them out.

HE NEVER CALLS THEM OUT ON WHAT THEY DID WRONG!!!

PS: About Spitelout... I can't bloody believe that the writers are just ignoring the issue of his own horrible parenting.

And I can't believe that you're trying to defend the behaviours of Stoick and the tribe in a fictional fantasy movie using historical contexts.