User blog comment:Dual Energon/What I think makes HTTYD 2 the supremely better movie./@comment-5690373-20151114030013/@comment-24865409-20160113224538

"Because it doesn't matter how much you and Toothless love each other, that won't matter if the Bewilderbeast is exerting some kind of physical or biological force on your dragon. Friendship doesn't beat nature."

It's stated that the body parts used by the Bewilderbeast to control dragons are the eyes and ears.

So Hiccup needed to get close to Toothless. To speak clearly to him, so Toothless could hear him, and so that Toothless can only see him. That's how Hiccup broke Toothless free from the mind control.

"Stoick would have been completely out of character then."

And it would have been out of character for Hiccup to attack Drago first and ask questions later.

"He changed their minds after using dragons to beat the Red Death."

He was in a coma for at least a week after the battle!

How did they manage to integrate dragons so smoothly without his help?

That part in HTTYD 1 was rushed.

"Stoick didn't know about the Red Death."

Hiccup was going to tell him more, but Stoick foolishly ignored Hiccup.

"Hiccup was very well informed about who Drago was."

Hiccup quite understandably thought that Stoick was just completely condemning another living being.

It's not like Stoick used to do the same thing with dragons... oh wait, he did!

"They don't need to receive any karma for it, even if everyone thinks they deserve it."

They do need to receive karma - especially if the audience is supposed to root for them.

"So first you agree they served a purpose and then you disagree? Either make up your mind or make your point clearer."

An unbearable idiot just dampens the story.

That's what Snot, Ruff and Tuff did in HTTYD 1.

By the way, it's very convenient that they decided to help Hiccup at the climax without any given reason.

"So the entire redemption story of Valka is just, what, two minutes of the entire movie?"

The redemption story of Valka spans from when she first meets (the adult) Hiccup, to when she and Stoick meet again for the first time in years.

"I'm pointing out that if Hiccup held no grudge then Valka doesn't have to get redeemed in the eyes of no one."

You also said that Valka has no purpose or development in the story. You're wrong.

Let's start with purpose. Hiccup was emotionally broken during his father's funeral. He needed Valka to support him through it.

Let's move onto development. No one may have held a grudge against her, but when she meets her son her guilt starts to eat away at her. Hiccup helps her through that - and later, Stoick does too. And when Hiccup is at his lowest point, she - as a mother - is there for him finally.

"And if he had held a grudge against Valka it would have been out of character for him."

That's one of the points I'm making.

"I don't know, I don't care."

That, frankly, is a childish answer from you.

If Hiccup can forgive his father in under a minute, then he can do the same with his mother.

"In HTTYD 1 and the TV show Astrid punched a lot more people than just Hiccup. We were lead to believe that was her character, and considering their relationship was just starting hey were almost strangers to one another."

She punches a lot of people on impulse? That's childish for Astrid.

And she is not shown to grow out of that idiotic habit in HTTYD 1 or the TV Show - which is just stupid writing.

"But HTTYD 2 established that, after 5 years, Astrid is still physically abusing what is now her boyfriend."

In context, she punched Hiccup once in HTTYD 2. And that was a friendly punch to congratulate him for his near-to-be coronation as chief. She does not punch him again afterwards.

And then look back at HTTYD 1. She inflicted unnecessary pain on him three times.

She interrogated him in the cove.

She punched him after their romantic flight - real gratitude... not.

And she punched him again after he woke up from his coma - how insensitive is she?!

And about the TV Show... they just turned that stupid "punch-and-kiss" gag into an annoying routine.

"I would argue that's not the message."

What is your argument, then?

"Hiccup did try to distract it, but ultimately he didn't have any other choice. What would he do? Find several tons of dragon nip? Scratch it?"

First of all, when did he try to distract it? And how does distracting something stop it from rampaging?

Second, even if Hiccup was forced to kill the Red Death (which he was), I'm bothered that he doesn't show remorse for it.

"So that's enough reason to try to be a dictator for you? Because Drago's main goal weren't the dragons, he was using the dragons to control people."

Yeah, people who mocked him and didn't believe in his ability to control dragons.

I'm not saying what Drago did was right.

I'm saying that he is more fleshed out than the Red Death, which is just an "evil dragon" for no reason.

"Again, because there was no other choice."

Even so, is the Red Death considered "evil" when it's just trying to survive?

And does no one feel remorse for it after they've killed it? They're the ones who blindly attacked it first.