User talk:Ladybrasa



Re:Background image and others
I'll keep an eye on that user. Thanks for giving them a warning. In terms of the background image that was Woolly Howl who did it. She has not been very active lately, so she probably didn't think about the background image. I'll look into the background, and maybe you can message Woolly Howl, and ask her to change the background as soon as she can. Do you have any suggestions of what to change it to, or should be changed back to the previous background? I do agree that the background needs to be changed, precisely because it is well past the time frame this background was meant for. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 13:45, April 6, 2018 (UTC)

Possible New Characters
I took these screenshots of characters mentioned in text boxes in SOD that I was wondering if we should give pages to. If you say we shouldn't we can delete these images, but they will be helpful if we do decide to create a page for them.

Lo g o   Dra go n Cre ator      21:34, April 8, 2018 (UTC)

Underwater section in SoD
I don't know if you remember, but in "Secret of the Leviathan", there was a part where you go underwater at Ship Graveyard to find a set of keys. Down there are a few interesting things: a giant turtle, an octopus, some schools of fish, seaweed and barnacles. I tried to tae screenshots of them, but they end up being too small due to the oxygen bar, which I cut off the picture. Would you be able to get some images of them? Oh, and if you don't know, you can go underwater even after finishing the expansion.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  14:17, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!

P.S. When you have time, could you archive your talk page? It has reached 100 Terror Mails again.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  14:34, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

It looks very similar to the real Royal Anglerfish, with a few exceptions in color. However, it might be just an error made by SoD. Yet the closest thing I could find to that fish is the Royal Anglerfish, so I guess it's okay to leave it as it is.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  04:11, April 10, 2018 (UTC)

can I help with something?

Youngtrainer (talk) 16:54, April 10, 2018 (UTC)

Uh, unfortunately I already did the quest and I didn't take screenshots of the Rumblehorns because the lighting was really bad. But, I will log on my other account and see if the quest is available (I did just the first few quests on that one).

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  17:39, April 10, 2018 (UTC)

Aaaand the quest is not yet available for my other account. I don't have enough time (and patience) to play until it is available, so I won't be able to get screenshots. Sorry!

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  18:29, April 10, 2018 (UTC)

Theres already a page for the Sundial if you didn't know. And "Three baby Rumblehorns" sounds a bit too generic. I was thinking more about "Rumblehorn Hatchlings", following the model of Scuttleclaw Hatchlings. And I don't think I will have much time for them either, as I am a bit busy too (plus, I didn't finish with "Secret of the Leviathan" yet).

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:23, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

Guide to the Dragons Books
Hi Ladybrasa! Do you happen to have any of the "A Guide to Dragons" books?

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:52, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! And it's not a problem that you interfered in my conversations. Frankly, I didn't noticed you answered to Dublin until after I posted my answer.

P.S. I suppose you didn't notice the message I sent yesterday, so I'll ask you again: do you happen to have any of the "A Guide to the Dragons" books?

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  14:30, April 15, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I was referring to the franchise ones. I added a new feature to the Dragon Fight Club which includes stats of the dragons that are in that specific fight. Besides the normal stats (armor, shot limit, venom etc), I also added the size, wingspan, weight and fire type. However, I can't seem to find the Snaptrapper's wingspan and weight anywhere, and I knew that these things are mentioned in the guides. Since you have most of the Httyd books, I thought you would have them. But it's not a problem that you don't. I also thought about buying them as they give information about dragons that don't appear much in the franchise, like the Hobblegrunt and the Scuttleclaw.

Also, I did those things you asked me about your archive page.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  14:53, April 15, 2018 (UTC)

How can I delete the unnamed images?
Hi Ladybrasa, I've accidentally uploaded more unnamed images of Royal Fireworm and Icebreaker. I've tried to delete them from recent images added, but can't find a way to do so. Can anyone delete the images or does it have to be an admin. The Icebreaker gallery has now been filled in by named and cropped images. How To Train Your Deathsong (talk) 15:40, April 15, 2018 (UTC)

The new day starts at Midnight (UTC) on Fandom. Figuring out the exact time it happens where you live is by figuring out how many hours you are ahead or behind UTC. For me my time zone is currently -4 UTC, which means the new day starts 8 pm my time. For you, you should figure out how far ahead or behind your timezone is ahead of UTC and go back or forward that many hours to figure out what time the new day on Fandom starts. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 17:02, April 15, 2018 (UTC)

Species/Character confusion, and Discussion Rules
Good afternoon Lady,

I don't mind at all that you're eavesdropping. Dare I say, I think most of us who monitor the Recent Activity page on a regular basis do the same. With that said, hello to each of you who are NOT Ladybrasa! Yes, I'm talking to you! 😉

And I agree with everything you said concerning the species/character confusion. You may have even managed to put my own thoughts into words better than I did! I remember pushing back against the creation of Wild Sandbuster because I saw it as unnecessary. But I was shut down over it, so I didn't push the matter further. It would be beyond ridiculous to create a separate page for each dragon if only one of its species is ever seen (one for 'species', a second for 'character'). It does bring me some consolation in hearing that the matter is confusing and at times open for debate. Maybe it would be different if I actually played the games so I could see for myself how they're introduced, but from my current prospective, I think it would make sense if dragons like the Snogglesong could belong to both character and species/subspecies categories. No matter, though. I highly respect you and Httyd big fan on the matter so I'll let it rest.

As for consistency, yeah, it's never going to be perfect. Just frustrating when rules change on a whim, or are broken and ignored, causing all sorts of new problems and even when I try to draw attention to the issue they're allowed to continue. But I know I don't need to tell you that.

On another note, the Discussion Rules. At just now checking, the discussion guidelines page looks and reads normally for me. I also use mobile web primarily, so don't know how it looks on desktop. Or in the app. In fact, while I've got your attention, are the Discussion Rules easily accessible though the app? The app is not compatible with either of my devices so I've never used it. And on mobile web I swear I've looked everywhere for the Discussion Rules and can't find a link to them anywhere as part of the site. I had to resort to asking Annabeth for the link so I could bookmark it. I keep meaning to ask one of the admins or Httyd big fan if it's possible the Discussion Rules be added to the main drop down menu as part of the Policies tab.

And no, there's no rule about talking about hacking the games so one doesn't have to pay. I expect sharing details on how to do so would be forbidden, same as sharing links to where one could watch RttE for free. I saw the comment in question, and was also put off by it, especially after the user laughed as if mocking those who are playing legally. We might have to double check with an admin on that one.

Thanks for reaching out to me! Sorry for the wall of text. Hope you got some sleep last night!

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 17:22, April 15, 2018 (UTC)

Since you busted out through my conversations, I think it's okay for me to bust through yours too, right? (I don't mean that as a bad thing!)

About the time reset, from my experience in the past, it goes back to 0 if you don't edit a full day, from midnight to midnight, not 24 hours. Or at least in my case, I remember that one I edited a bit in a morning and then the next day in the evening and the timer didn't reset. Also, you can make the time on the wiki show as your time zone if you set this on your preferences page.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  15:40, April 16, 2018 (UTC)

I think the timer updated to a longer period when there was that big change on FANDOM last year. I don't know if you remember, but there were changed a few things on the wiki's appearance, like putting that "Create a page button" near the "Recent Wiki activity" button at the top right.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:34, April 17, 2018 (UTC)

Re: HTTYD tidbit
Haha, "sleuthing", I love it! 😁 And I saw that, it's exciting! A bunch of news articles popped up in my search results this morning. And new ones are still appearing every hour! Most are saying the exact same thing now though. This is probably the best one I've come across so far. It may also interest you that the first speculation of Tuff having a new voice actor for the movie also appeared this morning. Don't know if you've heard what's been going on with T.J. since January.

Hope work isn't being too torturous today.

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 20:31, April 17, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Crop an image?
Oops! It sometimes happens to forgot to crop an image or name it before I upload it. However, usually I notice immediately afterwards. I don't know how that slipped away!

Anyway, I replaced it with yours since it was a bigger resolution. I also cropped a few other images that I found on Gallery: Dragon Root which I uploaded from a past Gauntlet event. Thanks for noticing!

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  12:55, April 18, 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that! 😟 If you want, I can tell you the site where I watch Rtte (only season 3, 4, 5 and 6), but I think the man who uploaded the episodes did it illegally.

Also, I deleted the images.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  12:52, April 19, 2018 (UTC)

Well, that's good news. And I have Android, not iOS.

On a completely different hand, although I did not upload pictures from them yet, I finished both Rise and Wrath of Stormheart on SoD, so I will get the next expansion as soon as it arrives (most likely in August like last year).

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:14, April 20, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I do think so. I believe that if they sort of united the two expansion into a single one (of course, with minor changes), it would have been better. Especially since (I suppose) most players thought that Stormheart will be defeated in "Wrath of Stormheart" since it was a little cliffhanger between the two. But I suppose we just have to deal with it.

As for those machines, they're simply called noisemakers. I guess we'll have to stick to that name.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  04:48, April 22, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Valka's Ball-Like Shield ...
Done! Also, at first I thought it was a leather ball too, but then I saw Valka's Shield which looked almost identically and I thought it would make more sense if it was the shield, since that was a Bewilderbeast item.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  04:29, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

Your fault!
I had to reward myself for surviving tax season. So, I blame you for this! 😉 (The dolls are old) I look forward to reading them both. Thank you for inspiring me! 💗

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 01:45, April 24, 2018 (UTC)

Pepe or Peppy?
Hi! In a RoB quest, Gobber, after the death of Stoick, begins talking to himself, but he insists he is talking to Peppy, his pet yak. In the episode "Crushing It", Gobber, while again being delusional, believes he talk to Pepe, his pet yak, while he was actually talking to Skullcrusher. Do you think it's the same yak? They are both Gobber's pets that he mentions while he was not himself and they have similar names. Here's the mention in RoB, if you think you need it.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  19:53, April 26, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Please Delete ...
Done!

P.S. I don't know how that happened my time badge reseted. 😟 Now I will have to wait another year until I will do it. Good thing it didn't happened while I was closing the 200 days badge because that was actually my goal a few months ago.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:44, April 27, 2018 (UTC)

I am a bit busy with school right now, preparing for an upcoming exam, so I don't have much time for the wiki. It's not that I don't have what to do on the wiki, it's just that sometimes I don't find the time.

As for the RoB quests, I wanted to check something about the Legendary collections, so I created a new account and played a few quests. The only things that I didn't uploaded on the wiki are that mention of "Peppy", some information about the Tide Glider and something about Windstriker scales. On my original account, I finished all the quests a while ago.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:55, April 28, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Rollin' on back
Hello Lady, Forgive me for snooping but then again we all know we do it. 😏 I just double checked and it looks like all of the troll's edits have already been undone. At first glance it appeared Tauriel undid his edits on the Flax page, but at closer inspection she only undid his latest one. You may have noticed by now that I went ahead and undid the others a few moments ago. That appears to have been the only one we missed last night. When a roll back is done, it doesn't appear in the main "Wiki Activity" page so I know it looks like few had been fixed. But if you check the pages' histories, the latest edits are all by either me or HiccstridFan.

As for what a normal user can do, ask Annabeth for Rollback rights! 😀 It's such a plus and a help in keeping on top of trolls like this. If i could nominate anyone for Rollback rights, I nominate you and Logo because you both deserve that extra tool to help keep the wiki in tip-top shape. Aside from that, still 'AJAX Undo' works one by one until all the trollish edits are dealt with. What's tricky is when someone else makes a good edit amidst the trollish ones, and you might be forced to undo that one too in order to get to the trollish edits that took place before it did. I had to do that on Gustav's page last night. I simply edited the good edits back in once I was done.

Should I leave Annabeth a note nominating you and Logo as Rollbacks? 😊

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 16:08, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

That would be wonderful!! You're much deserved of it, and have been long before I was granted my rights. In fact, if you ask me, we could use HiccstridFan to be promoted to Bureaucrat, Tauriel and/or Alexa promoted to Admin, and you promoted to Content Mod. Especially with the issues we've had the last few weeks. We could use more trustworthy users with more power. Go for it! Best of luck! 💗

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 22:58, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your appreciation! And what a coincidence! I also wanted to suggest you to become something that is part of the staff, as you are a very experienced user on this wiki. Plus, you deserve it after all your work, from fixing the categories to revising the book series, something that most fans don't know it exists.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:43, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

I've given you rights as you've requested. Thanks!--

Congratulations!
Congrats for becoming a Content Moderator and a Rollback!

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  04:44, May 1, 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the team! It's great to have a Viking Biologist on board. 😊 --  AlexaDragons   ( talk ) 11:09, May 1, 2018 (UTC)

Yeeaaahhh!! Congrats on the promotion, Lady! Now you get to add this and this to your page! And also this if you like. 😀 You're going to make a great mod!

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 15:14, May 1, 2018 (UTC)

I just deleted the page. It was an unnecessary page. We never ever heard anything about his character, so any information on that page was an assumption. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 01:02, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

I just blocked that user. I contacted Fandom Staff about that person, and all previous accounts have been globally blocked, along with the IP addresses associated with them. That person is going to multiple computers to do this, because this is a different IP address from the other ones this person used to create account. At this point, I will have to send a message to Fandom Staff, and get this IP address globally blocked. Of course it hasn't stopped this user from doing this, again and again, repeatedly going to a different computer with a different IP address, and create an account. This is frustrating, and Fandom Staff can only block an IP address associated with the user that has been reported for trouble to them. I don't know what to do beyond contacting Fandom Staff, and I don't know how much longer this might last. All I can do is to keep dealing with this person the same way each time. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 02:34, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Well then, that was quite the christening, wasn't it? You ok? It can start to get overwhelming when the troll just... won't... stop! Thank Odin HiccstridFan was online at the time or soon after each of the times the troll had been causing havoc.

As for the image in the Content Mod user box, I agree it's kind of a weird picture with Fishlegs' head half chopped off. It was probably chosen because that's the scene in "Heather Report, Part 1" where he says he's the "log master". Though I personally think this picture would look better, though perhaps cropped slightly. It's from the same scene. I imagine the three of you can discuss the change of the image with no problem. 😊

Again, welcome aboard! And stay strong until we get this troll taken care of for good. We can do this!

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 03:25, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

I don't believe so. :) The only thing I could find was this. --  AlexaDragons   ( talk ) 20:46, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

An IP address is connected to a computer. The definition of the IP address it this: a unique string of numbers separated by periods that identifies each computer using the Internet Protocol to communicate over a network. So that troll must have access to multiple computers. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 01:35, May 3, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Content Mod Box ...
I think the last one, with Fishlegs writing in the Book of Dragons, is the best between the ones you sent me.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:27, May 3, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, sure! I also vote for the last one. --  AlexaDragons   ( talk ) 10:12, May 3, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Name that Collection Item ...
I always thought the first one was a telescope, but now that I look at it closely, it does look like a torch. As for the second one, it's just the body shape of a woman, without head and hands, made out of some rock material. I don't think it has a name.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:26, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

HOW TO HANDLE A VANDAL
Annabeth blocked the user. I just saw the message, and saw what the user did. I have no doubt that it is that same person again. I never did send a message to the Fandom Staff. the previous time that person created an account with a bad username and vandalized pages. I don't have time now as it is late here and am headed to bed soon. Maybe you can send a message to Fandom Staff so as to get that IP address globally blocked by them. A link to where to do it is here. On that page you want to click on the contact us message that will take you to a page to write a message to the Fandom Staff. As a heads up, you should give links to the pages that the user caused trouble, plus a link to the name of the user to make it easier for the Famdom Staff to deal with it. For the links, you need to copy the hyperlink, as of course whoever gets it will be seeing it in a e-mail or whatever in a place that is not this wiki. Of course, just the link and no extra word that makes the link appear shorter as all that does is add that extra word to the link and make it link to non-existent page. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 03:31, May 10, 2018 (UTC)

Defender of the Wing Weapons
Hi! I noticed that you are plannig someday to create a page for Defender of the Wing weapons. While I was taking a few pictures from "Chain of Command", I came across a Defender of the Wing spear, so I thought I should leave it to you, since you are going to make a page for the weapons.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  12:52, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

Glad to hear that! I sent an email to Ludia about thus problem a few days ago and they said that they will look into the problem. However, I didn't expect it to be corrected so soon.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:12, May 17, 2018 (UTC)

Re: More about Auction Island
Can you tell me exactly what you asked? Maybe if I put both question and answer together I can figure it out.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  15:33, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

Well, then I think it means "yes". It also seems that the part in the "Return to Dragon Island" where you go to Auction Island with Eret is inspired from "Last Auction Heroes", which I think it is worth mentioning in the Trivia section.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  17:00, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

Given that Hiccup definitely says that he was on Auction Island before, I believe the two islands are one and the same.

"I don't know where Auction Island is, even though I was there a few years ago. I was quite busy the last time we were there."

- Hiccup in School of Dragons

Lo g o   Dra go n Cre ator      20:10, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

Bargemine
Hi! Just wondering, how did you get Bargemine in RoB? I can't seem to find her anywhere.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  19:00, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

Oh, well, it didn't appear for me. In the last 3 days, there were package deals for Book Wyrm, Valka's Mercy and some Card Packs. I gues they differ from player to player.

As for the SoD quest, I already played it. Yes, it is about about mushrooms, but also about some flowers that are in the antidote.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  03:38, May 23, 2018 (UTC)

In terms of keeping new users from editing pages, that is where protecting a page comes in. To prevent new users or unregistered edits from editing a page, that page needs to be semi-protected by an Admin or content moderator. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 01:58, May 25, 2018 (UTC)

I think that they were just talking about something. And, yes, I think you could add it to their relationship page.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  16:50, May 25, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Green Thunder
It is interesting that Spark Guard is a green Skrill. Technically my Green Thunder is supposed to be a subspecies of the Skrill based on the dragon of the same name on Hiccup's map in HTTYD 2, but there's little I could do to make it besides photo editing a picture of a regular Skrill. Even so, thanks for your interest in my fan-made dragons. I spend a lot of time and effort coming up with designs and abilities for them, so it's nice to see them get appreciated. If you want to know more about them, please check out their pages on the fanon wikia. Lo g o   Dra go n Cre ator      03:01, May 26, 2018 (UTC)

Featured Articles - Summer 2018
Hi! I don't knew if you knew, but a while ago, Woolly and I decided to change featured articles on the first day of the year seasons (winter, spring, summer, autumn) and the Staff should decide the articles featured since we know them the best. Since you are now a Conted Mod, I think that you should give your vote too.

As you know, we are only a few days away from the beginning of summer, meaning that a new set of Featured Articles needs to be discussed. As you may have noticed, last week I was cleaning up Heather's page, so, if I may, I suggest her as the Featured Character, considering that she is a very popular character in the Httyd Fandom. However, I have been a little more busy than usual and I haven't thiught about the Featured Dragon and Featured Other. Do you have any ideas?

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  10:05, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure. From what I've so far in the past years, the Featured Articles seem to be franchise only. I know you are a big fan of the books too, but I think more people know about the franchise so I think it would be better kept that way. As for Featured Other, until now I've only seen Httyd 3, The Serpent's Heir and Rtte 6, but I think it refers to anything, from an object to an island or a media.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  14:11, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

P.S. It's nice that you noticed my recent work on Chicken's page, but it's still not completed. Heather's page was easier to clean up due to the biography being separate. Maybe I'll finish with Chicken until the next tim.

Uh, nevermind the message above... Woolly just answered and saw your message on my talk page. She said that it's okay to have books included too and she suggested the Seadragonus Giganticus Maximus and Common or Garden Dragon (Books). Since I'm not an expert of the books, I will let you decide. However, please make sure it follows newer rules of the Manual of Style like having a quote at the top of the page and such. As for the Featured Other, she said it can be anything else except a character or a dragon.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  14:40, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

The Doomfang's page has a bit too little information to be featured. I have to agree here with Woolly that the Seadragonus Giganticus Maximus and the Common or Garden Dragon (Books) are better candidates for Featured Articles. While the SGM might have been featured before, I think that the Garden Dragon hasn't, or at least not since I joined the Fandom, almost three years ago. The only thing that page lacks is a "Behaviour" section. So I think that if you would be able to add this, it would be the perfect page.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  15:22, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

If you manage to add more to the Doomfang page until June 1st, it might end up being featured. However, I still (personally) think that Common or Garden Dragon would be a better choice since it is more common (the irony!) between fans that the Doomfang. Also, yes, I remember the book version of Toothless being featured a while ago, so I think that was the case. Also, great job on the "Behavior" section!

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  15:44, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

Patoadam (talk) 17:44, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

Hi! There is a petition going on about new season of Dragons race to the Edge. If you haven't signed it yet please do so in the following link:

https://www.change.org/p/dreamworks-tv-show-after-how-to-train-your-dragon-2-and-before-how-to-train-your-dragon-3

Re: Tiny crumb from HTTYD3
Oooh, intriguing! Thank you, Lady! The emotions are running high in the fandom right now. I can feel it and it's making me anxious. 😂

I think I just stumbled upon a new image for HTTYD3. Trying to verify right now...

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 02:54, May 31, 2018 (UTC)

God morning,

No, unfortunately, the image I was researching turned out to be fan made. 😞 The quality wasn't the best but I was hoping if an original source was found, a higher quality image would be available. I had seen it pop up a few times both on FB and Twitter, but no one knew where it came from. The closest I came was a screen shot of what appeared to be an Italian blog, but the URL wasn't included in the shot. But everyone who saw my inquiry about it insisted it was fan made.

As for the new poster, I'm still processing it. I think it looks like unoriginal children's fan service. I mean, I get that HTTYD has been aimed at children from the beginning, but when the riders were actually kids back in the first movie, those posters didn't look so "magical". Or sparkly. It's just... weird. And I'm disappointed that the Light Fury is indeed white in color. Sounded like the footage shown at CinemaCon had no color, so she could have simply been a lighter color than Toothless, but not necessarily "white". There have been fan fics and fan art of white Night Furies since the first movie came out, and they all had a very "Mary Sue-ish" feel to them. I'm confused because I know the upper level crew of movies are forbidden to look at fan art or read fan fics to prevent plagiarizing allegations and copyright infringement. So... did they seriously think up this white Night Fury themselves? Did they seriously think it was an original idea? Fans who drew white fury fan art and/or wrote white fury fan fics are feeling violated. And fans who hated the whole white fury idea from the start are enraged that it's now canon. I'm seeing all sorts of back lash over it. Personally, I don't mind the idea, I just wish she wasn't actually white in color. A grey or light brown would have been more realistic and less cliche. 😝

And if you'll remember, yes, "Light Fury" was mentioned within the footage at CinemaCon, so the term is canon. That doesn't mean that'll be her name though, or even a sub-species name. We had a page that was set up fairly well but was deleted because we just didn't have enough info yet. I'm surprised someone managed to create a whole new page rather than the old one being un-deleted. At least we have an image for her now so I think the page can be brought back into existence. I suggest protecting the page though to prevent fan fic and fan art to be edited into it, since fan created info has existed for years and I know many kids have a hard time differentiating canon from fan made info.

And the Light Fury is said in the official synopsis that she will be Toothless' "mate", so I'd say that's a love interest. Though I suppose we don't actually have confirmation that the white dragon and the "untamed, elusive mate" are the same dragon. But why would they include that in the synopsis and reveal the Light Fury only for Toothless to pursue an entirely different, and yet to be even hinted at, female? Yeah... I'm fairly certain it's the same dragon.

Do you have access to the categories in Discussions by chance? We have some users starting to complain about spoilers and I think it'd be a good idea to create a "Spoiler" category again. I understand that only so many categories are available, but maybe we can combine "Riders/Defenders" into one category in order to free up one for "Spoilers".

Thanks Lady! 💗

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 08:41, June 1, 2018 (UTC)

Good evening, Lady!

Stop apologising. You are not bothering me. Especially on the weekend when I'm off and have plenty of time. So shhhhhhhhhhh.... 😊

Regarding Toothless' facial nubs and how one can tell his age by them, I've seen others discussing this before, and have even seen some discussion about the Light Fury and her lack of facial nubs already, and how it might indicate she's still a juvenile. Toothless didn't have them in GotNF either, so they must have started appearing over the next 5 years. Given how we know the animation is expected to blow HTTYD2's animation out of the water, I expect all these little details have been thought out by Dean and Co. and will continue to be included in the third film.

As much of a disappointment the first poster is, and even the Light Fury, I still have confidence in Dean and Co. Considering Dean rewrote the entire script hints that he improved everything he could on his original ideas, which I'm sure were amazing to begin with. They made Stephen Spielberg cry. Dean has said it'll be deeper and darker than the previous two, so it won't be mindless pre-school entertainment like I'm seeing many fearing after the poster dropped. Both Jay and Gerard gushed at how amazing this film is going to be, how it's stronger than the previous two, and promised us we'll be happy. America hinted that there'll be another short accompanying it and promised we'll be very happy. I trust them. And they all love their fans and want nothing but our happiness. This poster, this first look at the Light Fury, and even the trailer coming this next week are just our first glimpses. I trust there'll be adequate back story to fit everything together, and it may not be as cheesy as it all appears now. 😉

As for anything new I found during my sleuthing, unfortunately I don't have a solid source, but Jonah said somewhere that his character will have a lady friend in this film. 😍 So there's something new and exciting. I pray to Odin that it's Ruff. Rufflout for the win! 🙌

Thanks for checking on the Discussions categories. I was hoping Content Mods had access to that. It appears that's the only thing in Discussions that I don't have access to. I'll ask HiccstridFan or Woolly sometime in the coming days.

I hope you have a lovely night, Lady. Happy June! 💕

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 01:09, June 3, 2018 (UTC)

If I recall, Dean rewrote the script around the same time NBCUniversal bought DreamWorks so that would make sense. Though I also wonder if he was also given the gift of time when it was pushed back another year. I think most of us can relate with feeling rushed when facing a deadline. And had critiqued our work to death by the time we had to turn it in, but may not have had time to improve on it. Dean may have suddenly found himself with time to improve the critiques he had.

Oh, and some other tidbits from sleuthing, someone actually downloaded the entire code for the official website (this fandom is crazy, lol!) and they found images and an MP3 file wrapped in cloaking codes so they don't show up. It's speculated that the official HTTYD3 website will look (and sound!) very different soon; perhaps the day the trailer drops!

And just a few moments ago I saw someone claim that TJ is no longer on the cast list, however at just now checking IMDb he's still listed. So there's no source yet, but I'm keeping an eye on it.

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 02:43, June 3, 2018 (UTC)

Yup, saw that last night. 😊 But please don't hesitate to pass any thing else on if you stumble upon it! I'm rarely the first to discover something. I usually depend on others to put the info in my line of vision. I just happen to be maintaining a broad line of vision at the moment. 😀

There's five books listed right now- one that appears to be the movie in story book form. One titled "World of Dragons". One titled "Journey to New Berk" (I, too, am curious what this "New Berk" location actually is!). One titled "The Night Fury and the Light Fury". And one titled "Meet the New Dragons" (which appears to confirm there will be a number of new dragons besides the Light Fury). It appears most will be available in both hardcover and paperback. Another small bit is the new poster is now available for sale.

Oh, I never commented on who Snotlout could end up being with last time. I agree Rufflegs was cute in "Snotlout Gets the Axe", but with Ruff's and Fishlegs' personalities, I just don't think they fit very well. He's too book-smart and she's too impulsive. I really like Rufflout because Ruff and Snotlout are similar and yet different in all the right ways. I sense some romantic tension when they argue, and even when they're not fighting (or flirting), they seem to just click. That's just my opinion of course, and it's hard to think too deeply on it since nothing of the TV series will be touched upon in the movie. The movie staff probably have no idea how the TV series set up both Rufflegs and Rufflout histories. We may all still be surprised who Snotlout will actually end up with. Or Fishlegs, or even Ruff for that matter, if they end up paired up with anyone.

No real HTTYD3 news yet today. But I'll announce anything big in Discussions and update articles as necessary when I come upon any. I'll gladly pass on any more rumors I hear via talk pages too if you want. 😉

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 20:37, June 4, 2018 (UTC)

Re: HTTYD3 again ...
Yes! That was good to hear for me, too. I haven't gotten around to reading Dean's entire Reddit Q&A session, I must do that this weekend since I'm off work. But the few tidbits of it I've seen floating around are very encouraging. I'm especially happy about the confirmation that there will not be anything "magical" about the Light Fury or the "hidden world" despite what it looked like. There will be logical scientific explanations for everything that looks... paranormal. I'll admit I was really nervous that HTTYD would finally jump onto the crowded magic band wagon. All of Deans answers are outlined on Berk's Grapeevine.

Oooh the trailer........ I'm still processing it. I was so overwhelmed yesterday morning trying to monitor Twitter, FB, and the wiki both for the trailer itself and then all the conversations it sparked. That's another thing I'll have to catch up in this weekend when I'm off. Why has all the big news broken on work days?? 😝 I wasn't traumatized by Hiccup in a beard, which seems to be a popular topic since it dropped. I find some of the scenes in the trailer don't look quite finished. Like there could be more rendering and details added, and some of the movements were a bit unnatural. I'm really hoping that's the case, and the finished product will look better. I need to take a closer look (again, sooo much to catch up on this weekend!) but I didn't even notice any freckles on Hiccup's face. I know that was actually an issue in the second film, and they added them back in. So I hope it's the same this time around, too. I admired the imperfections and dirt the previous films had. I didn't notice any of that in this trailer which concerns me. But again, it really did look like some of the scenes weren't actually finished yet. So they might still have a lot of touching up to do.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the trailer too, once you're back on a regular keyboard. 😊

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 08:06, June 8, 2018 (UTC)

Re:suggestion for 'active' pages
I ghave seen the increased activity. I like your suggestions. On the topic of images I hate how none of the users uploading images properly names them, and how they are uploading duplicates of pictures already uploaded. I don't understand that they need to make sure they are not uploading duplicate images. Also, some users are not getting the welcome message bevause they haven't edited their profile. I will have to put the message on their talk page myself. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 23:46, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

To add categories to images very quickly it is done the same way you add categories to a lot of pages, except each image needs file: in front of it to work. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 23:53, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

When I have a lot of files that I want to add a specific category to, I copy the file names, paste them into the Notebook application on my laptop, and then use the find and replace to add file: in front of each file name, putting the word from the beginning of the file name in the find box, and put file: in front of the word from the beginning of a file name in the replace box, and then most times I hit the replace all button, and in the cases where I know the word I put in the find box appears in some file names not at the beginning of the word, I don't I hit find next so I can avoid putting, "file:" where it does not belong, and only have it put it at the front of file names. When there are file names that are unique I copy the text "file:" and paste it front of a file manually. It has made it much easier for me to get files ready to replace them, since I can get file: at the bunch of image names much quicker than I can manually. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 02:00, June 10, 2018 (UTC)

the image I pu remains the same so i could.nt do anything but toothless is in others chrarge already

The job is finished so I am not doing anything to imaged but thx to put in a category! By the forget my giberyshYoungtrainer (talk) 12:23, June 10, 2018 (UTC)

Dragon Stages Images + Links
Hello! Just a quick message. I've been cleaning up a few of the Dragon Species pages and if you probably know, there is a slideshow under the Physical Appearance section. Do you think this slideshow is necessary? I personally find that it sticks out a lot. I feel that it should be changed to individual photos of the egg and Titan Wing form only. DO let me know what you think about it.

Also, as most of these pages are incredibly lengthy, I have noted a major inconsistency with linking. A recap: the current policy in the Manual of Style is to link only the first mention of article name, unless the page is really long, then links should appear once more around the 3/4 mark of the page. However, I have noticed a few problems. Also, it might be tedious for users who want to add new information to check through the entire page, which explains why there is so much inconsistency.
 * 1) Some captions have links, others do not. Are image captions considered 'part of the article'?
 * 2) Templates like Quotes and ROB/SOD templates are a confusing bit. Should links appear here too?
 * 3) Lengthy pages are quite subjective, exactly how long must the article be to have reminder links?

Hence, I would like to propose this: Do let me know what you think about this. --https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/0/04/TheWoollyHowlSig2.gif/revision/latest?cb=20170430071121 (talk)  14:26, June 10, 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) First mentions of an article under every main section, those denoted by == should be linked. This does not include sub-sections.
 * 2) Quotes and captions should never be linked, regardless of whether links have appeared in the article body.
 * 3) First mentions in data templates, so things like the ROB/SOD templates, should always be linked, regardless of whether links have appeared previously in the section or article.

Deathgripper
Dean tweeted about it. 😉

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 21:28, June 10, 2018 (UTC)

On hindsight, the quote thing should be linked. Thanks for bringing it up! So perhaps we could consider the quotes as part of the main article body? So it’ll obey the first rule? What do you think about that? Also, the Rumblehorn page looks good, I definitely do not mind those stats. https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/0/04/TheWoollyHowlSig2.gif/revision/latest?cb=20170430071121 (talk)  00:13, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Images should NOT have watermarks, especially watermarks that aren't ones associated with DreamWorks. Also, that template for hot spots looks good. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 01:07, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry to bother you but I just want to ask why the “Last appearances” of confirmed characters who are to be in THW keep being reverted to “King of Dragons, Part 2”?

Vinelfalna (talk) 02:10, June 12, 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the trailer screenshots of The Hidden World
Hi Ladybrasa,

I just want to ask you regarding the trailer screenshots. See, I found some HQ images from the trailer and would like to upload them to the appropriate galleries. Also, I noticed that most of the Berksgrapevine watermarked images have been removed. However, there are still some left and I was wondering if I should just replace them with the HQ ones that I've found, or leave it to you (or other the admins) to delete them first and postpone uploading them until the watermarked images are removed? Fangalpr (talk) 00:08, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Regarding the trailer screenshots of The Hidden World
Hi Ladybrasa,

Here's the ones that you've missed to remove. I can replace those for you with HQ ones if you'd like, though! Fangalpr (talk) 01:26, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

In terms of whether or not pictures with the Cartoon Network logo are allowed, I will say this. I don't prefer pictures with logos in them, and pictures from an episode, or the actual film, should NEVER have logos on them. Only if you are taking the pictures from a trailer, or a clip, that is posted on Youtube by DreamWorks TV, or a channel that is legally posting it, can you have a logo in the corner. Even for the clips, pictures should NOT be taken from them, and pictures should be taken from the film or episode itself. By the way I do have access to Defenders of Berk, and Riders of Berk episodes without the Cartoon Network logo on them, having bought the episodes on iTunes, so I could legally watch the episodes. Of course, the videos for the episodes from the Defenders and Riders of Berk that one can find online and watch, which are posted illegally, have the logo. I know there are quite a few pictures with the Cartoon Network logo, and I might go and replace them if I feel like it. Further problems come for users watching the episodes on Kim Cartoon, and taking screenshots from those videos, as the logo for the site is in the upper left corner, which is also unacceptable for obvious reasons, and there are pictures on this wiki that have the words kiss cartoon in the corner. So in short, it is best to have pictures with NO logos, and the only time that having logos in the pictures is when one gets pictures from trailers. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 14:45, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

Light Fury Gallery
Hello and sorry to bother you. I'm not sure who to contact about this. I'd just like to ask what happened to the Light Fury Gallery. As of right now, I've noticed that most of the screenshots have been replaced into LQ ones again, when, yesterday, I re-uploaded most of the blurry images to HQ ones. I'm still new to the wikia and I'd like to know if the ones that I've uploaded were not appropriate, hence why they've been replaced. Fangalpr (talk) 02:10, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

Second batch of RoB dragons
Yes, I will get to them now that I'm back.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  02:51, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

Um, well, today I want to experiment a bit with my new 'abilities' as an admin. But I promise that tomorrow I will take care of the dragons.

By the way, I have made some changes for the badges, such as putting images in the Plant Track badges and changing the names of the Biography Track as they were identical to another one. I'm not sure if you can see it but if you can, what do you think?

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  14:34, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

More HTTYD3 stuff
Hello Lady,

It's late coming but I didn't want to leave your last message ignored. Apologies for such a late reply. But I enjoyed reading it immensely, and re-read it multiple times. I'm just so bad at planning what to say in response that time escapes me and suddenly the moment has passed and a response would no longer be worth it. But in this case I think it might still be worth it. ...I hope, anyway.

One, you must not have read through my profile because I am insulted that you'd ask if I'm familiar with cats. 😂 Ok.. I'm not. But yes, I'm very familiar with cats; have had them since I was 5 years old. My current feline daughter Melody is currently curled up in one of her beds with her dolly (a Hello Kitty doll), while her departed feline brother Joey is currently residing in a cherry box on my mantle. That and I've worked in the pet care industry for.. (don't want to date myself too badly here) a very long time.

It's been over a week since the trailer dropped, and Annecy has now come and gone, giving us a LOT more to digest! I trust you've seen the spoiler thread in Discussions about it? 😉 If not, there's some juicy spoilers from the scenes shown, but none so big that they could ruin the movie for those of us who enjoy minor to moderate spoilers.

💥💥SPOILERS💥💥

Among them is confirmation that Hiccup makes a self-controlled tail fin and the events of GotNF are even verbally referenced. He coats the self-controlled fin with a paste made from Toothless' saliva and ground shed Night Fury scales so it doesn't smell too "human" for the Light Fury. Hiccstrid is not married yet during the primary portion of the film. In fact, sounds like the events of RttE episode "Sandbusted" might now be non-canon because Astrid says marriage isn't her "thing", and she gets irritated with Gobber when he brings it up, clearly indicating she's avoiding the subject. There are more hints that there'll be a wedding short though, too! We already knew that Toothless and the Light Fury reenact the "Forbidden Friendship" scene, but now we know it'll be complete with Toothless drawing a picture of her in the sand. Meatlug has another brood of babies. All the riders, including Eret, have flight suits of their own. Valka and Spitelout are friends (there's only one quick scene with them and it didn't suggest anything other than friendship, but I can't help but wonder if [franchise] Hiccup and Snotlout will finally be officially related by the end). Grimmel knew Stoick and has a conversation with Hiccup about him (in fact, I'm picking up some hints that Grimmel and Stoick might be family, cue Grimbeard the Ghastly). Berk is way overpopulated, and as chief, Hiccup is moving the entire village to a new, bigger island; "New Berk" (which I don't quite get since in real world situations, they would simply expand to nearby islands rather than move the ENTIRE village, so I hope we get an explanation to that). Valka gives Hiccup a fur cape and calls him "handsome" though I've gotten mixed reports between her having made it for him herself or that it was Stoick's chief's cape (though I suppose she could have made it for Stoick so it'd be both).

💥💥END SPOILERS💥💥

...See, lots of juicy spoilers but still nothing real "major". Go look at that thread if you haven't already for all the info we know from Annecy.

Have you read the interviews Dean has given the last few weeks, too? The latest confirms that any spin offs will be about different characters and will take place at a different time, so the rumors about Rescue Riders being about Valka training the core six riders is baloney. He has also said that how Grimmel looks in the trailer will not be his final physical appearance in the movie because they're still tweaking everything, including the scenes that made it into the trailer. So my concerns earlier that how some of the scenes looked unfinished were justified, though I'm no longer worried. And the "Hidden World" is a vast underground area spanning the globe so.... there could be dragons under our very feet!! 😀 Which also answers your question earlier about if dragons occurred world wide or just in the Barbaric Archipelago. He's also confirmed that the movie will play with timelines so they'll jump back in time and ahead in time a number of times throughout the movie. I'm still really wishing and hoping for an appearance of a very little Hiccup.

Anyway, hope this little surprise message finds you well. Hope the weekend is behaving for you, too. 😊

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 00:53, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Light Fury Classification
Good evening,

Yeah, I agree this whole issue with species/sub-species/variation of the Light Fury is confusing. I just know that Dean's actual words were that she's a "variation" of the Night Fury species. He has also said that she's not a "Night Fury", though I could have sworn that in one of his recent interviews he did say she was a "Fury", though I can't remember where I read that and my searching is fruitless. However, though he's not a biologist, there is such a term as a "variation of species". So I tried to do a little research on "species variation". And they are similar enough to produce fertile offspring. This is a great little presentation I found on species variation for educational purposes. It might shed some light on this predicament. When he said that "Light Fury" is a "species name" given to her by Hiccup and Astrid, that may have been an example of him not being familiar with the correct biological terminology.

I've always wondered about the difference between the different dragon species too. Like, they're all reptiles, right? And from there, they're classified as "dragon", and from there... then what? Class (Tital, Sharp, etc)? Or wyvern/four legged? Maybe if dragons of two different classes produced offspring, those might be infertile. Or a two legged and four legged dragon in the same class might produce infertile offspring. Would a two legged dragon belonging to one class and a four legged dragon of another class be able to produce offspring at all? When it comes down to it, dragons are a fictional species so we might never know such details of their biology.

In the long run, we can always change details in the articles later as new info arises.

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 01:31, June 18, 2018 (UTC)

As Dublin said, considering that dragons are a fictional animal, there may be some things that break the law considering that the prosucers of the film aren't experts in biology. I think that this conflict between Night Fury and Light Fury is pretty similar with the one between Death Song and Slithersong. I hope that everything will need to know about the difference between the two will be revealed in the actual movie. Until then, we can only speak hypocritically. I think we can all wait until then, right?

As for my opinion, I think that the Light Fury is a sub-species as she is too similar to the Night Fury to be a separate species entirely. However, this is only my point of view and it might be proved wrong when the movie is released.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  04:32, June 18, 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, I see the Light Fury as a species, not a subspecies. Toothless is still the only Night Fury, and Dean said as much. I think that we need to leave it as is, and wait for more details about the Light Fury. I don't think we can make a proper decision, based on the trailer alone. I'd wait until "How to Train Your Dragon.com" puts information about the Light Fury on its' website. I'd say that won't happen till closer to film release, or around the time the film is released. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 13:42, June 18, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not a biology major but I've been through a few biology courses, and based on what I've learned thus far.. I'm not entirely on board the idea of the Light Fury being a subspecies. As you pointed out, the differences are too great. What would make sense would be if they share a common descent but otherwise remain individual, separate species. And while they are genetically related close enough to produce offspring, they usually prefer not to intermingle. --  AlexaDragons   ( talk ) 20:05, June 18, 2018 (UTC)

Unnamed Island image
The island appears on both versions of Hiccup's map, actually. It is right next to Dragon Island, to the left. You may also be able to obtain a copy of the map together with Guide to the Dragons vol.1, if I remember correctly, or with The Art of HTTYD 2. I hope this helps.

Thorndrum (talk) 14:34, June 18, 2018 (UTC)

The one I used is from the "Art of" book. In RTTE the map was vastly reworked, so the island looks a little different.

Thorndrum (talk) 16:59, June 18, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Spacing between some templates
Yeah, I noticed that too. The same thing goes with Template:ROBStats and Template:SODStats. Unfortunately, I also tried some things to fix that, but it didn't seem to work. I'm not an expert at coding and stuff, but I will try again.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  05:09, June 24, 2018 (UTC)

Ok, so I tried a few things, but none were successful. Im not sure how can that be resolved.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  09:52, June 24, 2018 (UTC)

I tried cluttering the templates together in different ways, then used the preview mode, but it didn't seem to make much of a difference. Also, please call me Tauriel. It becomes a bit annoying to have this generic name, but unfortunately I can't change it because of a problem that I have with logging into my email account.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  17:11, June 24, 2018 (UTC)

I've just edited the template. It's really just a simple issue of leaving a line at the bottom of the template code, nothing major. It should work fine now. If you see any more issues, do let me know. Also, do note that this will only work if the templates are entered without spacing the source editor. So it has to be like this:

Instead of

--https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/0/04/TheWoollyHowlSig2.gif/revision/latest?cb=20170430071121 (talk)  10:00, June 26, 2018 (UTC)

Drago's Bewilderbeast's location in RoB
Regarding the island where Drago's Bewilderbeast is located in Rise of Berk, it appears that it doesn't have a name. Should it appear on the Unnamed Islands page? Or should we wait and see if it receives a name in a future update?

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  06:24, June 27, 2018 (UTC)

I have got Drago's Bewilderbeast and I can take screenshots too, with the island unlocked and without the trees/rocks.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  04:09, June 28, 2018 (UTC)

Re: RoB's New Summer Dragons ...
Sure! I know about the update too, since they said about it a few days ago on their Facebook. However, I'm a bit disappointed about the Purple Death, the new legendary dragon. I saw a video on YouTube about it and it appears that it has the exact same animation and roar as the Green Death. Also, it doesn't have a "cinematic" animation and its only ability is to double the raw amber the legendary dragons bring when searching. The only thing that is interesting about it is that the body of water where it is located has lots of corals and barnacles around. I think that Rise of Berk should have waited more before releasing another legendary and give it unique characteristics instead of copying another dragon.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  04:46, June 29, 2018 (UTC)

Actually, the Screaming Death from RoB is the same one from the TV show. It says that in the quests that come along with it. And now that I mentioned them, I'm wondering why RoB hasn't released quests for Drago's Bewilderbeast and the Purple Death. There could have been interesting facts about the latter, that were not mentioned in the comic.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  10:39, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Warlords ...
Hi Lady!

From what I've heard and understand, three new villains were very briefly and vaguely introduced at Annecy, and they were described as "warlords", but sounds like that's just their description rather than a canonical name. Most of the detailed summaries of the HTTYD3 panel hardly even mentioned them, but someone took special notice that one of them was a woman with black hair and silver armour, and went all crazy theorizing that Heather was in the movie and was now a villain (insert all the eye rolls here). 😒 So the fandom was crazy for a few days over this new "juicy" info. The cosplayer who was at Annecy and admitted to mentioning the woman to this crazed fan explained that she was a "warlord", and stressed time and again that it wasn't Heather. In fact she appeared to be more mature like Valka, and Asian. But that didn't stop the rumors to spread throughout social media that Heather was an evil "warlord" in the movie. The page you're inquiring about was created during this hype, so the term "Warlords" probably came from this rumor rather than anything official that Dean said. At least the page didn't mention that Heather was their leader. 😜 But... yeah, the page probably shouldn't exist. At least not yet.

The fandom is crazy right now, I'm telling ya. 😂

Hope that gives some clarification!

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 00:12, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that, too. And it bugs me. I remember reading somewhere that they were just trying to make all the villains appear to be non-native to the Archipelago. So, "strangers" basically. And the cultural diversity issue happened without them trying. No clue where I read it, though, much less if it was an official source or not. I also remember a fan discussion after RttE S5 came out about how Johann is the first real villain that doesn't have brown eyes. It was a running joke that if a new character appeared and they had brown eyes, you could bet they would be revealed as a villain at some point. I can't begin to say I relate to being a non-Caucasian, but I can relate to the stigma attached to brown eyes. Irish with freckles and even red tint in my hair, but apparently I'm made out to be a "bad guy" because of my dark brown eyes. That's always bummed me out a bit so I can relate in a small way. At least I can be thankful for Eret, but I know many people don't even have that much. It would have been really nice to see some "good guys" who were "strangers" too though. If anything, it could serve as a lesson to children that good and bad has nothing to do with culture, skin tone, or place of origin.

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 02:03, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Layout for Galleries
I thought that normal galleries shouldn't have images sorted by episode headings, unlike sub-galleries (like Gallery: Heather / Race to the Edge Season 3). However, if not, you can rollback my edits.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  16:59, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

I would have to agree that having subsections for episodes for a gallery looks much neater and makes it easier for a user to get to the section of the gallery they are trying to get to. The subsections are added to the contents of the page and when you click on the subsection names in the contents box it takes you right to the section you clicked, which can be very helpful, particularly on longer gallery pages. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 20:16, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, personally I think it depends how many pictures there are. For instance, if there's not enough pictures to warrant a separate gallery page, the first image from an episode can be titled in a caption. And even if there's enough images to warrant a separate gallery page, if there's only going to be one or two images in each sub header, it would look less cluttered if only the first image from each episode be titled in a caption rather than have sub headers. But if there's a lot of images, like there are for Krogan's Singetail, it would look more organized if there were sub headers for each episode. It would also be easier to keep the images organized later if more images are added, as well as quicker and easier to add new images.

Though that would also leave the issue of how many images exactly would warrant sub headers, and which galleries have few enough images to stick with titles in the captions only. So that would be something else we'd have to decide.

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 20:30, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

Hi! hthis was not written in the Manual of Style, but I vaguely remember the consensus being episode titles should only be mentioned in the captions. This is to prevent excessively length "Contents" boxes and for many galleries (mainly the dragon species ones) each episode has only one or two pictures but the subject appears in numerous episodes, making it rather unsightly. But for sub-galleries for seasons, which should be created when the season has at least 20 images, the headers will be episode titles. Looking at Gallery: Krogan's Singetail, there should have been a separate gallery for Season 5 with episode titles as headings. If I'm not wrong, this was the general consensus when the MoS was first made with the other admins and User:Lavamelon. And most of the galleries for major characters follow this format. I'm not exactly sure if anything has changed during the course of my inactivity. But I believe the Manual of Style does need a little bit of revision, as a few policies have been updated but not recorded, and I'll get to that sometime today. For now, let me know what you think of this gallery formatting first and do keep me updated on what the other staff think! --https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/0/04/TheWoollyHowlSig2.gif/revision/latest?cb=20170430071121 (talk)  02:42, July 2, 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Having sub-headings for episodes would make the page look more organized. --  AlexaDragons   ( talk ) 02:44, July 2, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Dublin and Woolly. If there are only a few pictures from each episode something appeared in, then the name of the episodes should appear in the captions. And if not, there should be sub-headings. As for Gallery: Krogan's Singetail, I think it should be separated in sub-galleries, one for season 5 and one for season 6.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  04:36, July 2, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Template for image policy reminder?
That is a great idea. Poor naming of images is the most common problem for users on this wiki. I believe putting a template on the users talk page like that help can be helpful. because it tells the user how to name an image properly. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 21:15, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!

Also thanks for your input for the Gallery layout. We'll see what the others say!

Lady Brasa (  talk  )  21:19, July 1, 2018 (UTC)

Yep! I'm fine with your proposition. Do let me know when everyone has reached a consensus, and I will update the MoS. Thanks! https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/0/04/TheWoollyHowlSig2.gif/revision/latest?cb=20170430071121 (talk)  12:55, July 2, 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. --  AlexaDragons   ( talk ) 04:02, July 3, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with that. However, I don't see how the source of the images should be linked. If you press on them, they lead you to the gallery and it's not like we could add the source like with do with the quotes as a small [src] would look weird there.

Oh, I thought you meant the image that is in the Template:Galleries. Yes, of course, those images need a source.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  14:46, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

Unidentified animal in RoB
Hi Ladybrasa! The new RoB update was just released for me. It appears that I was right about the Purple Death when I said that it may have something interesting related to the aquatic life. However, I can't indentify this:

It looks a bit like coral, but it also doesn't. Do you have any idea what it could be?

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  05:24, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I did. I think option 2 is better for a few reasons:


 * 1) The sub-headings would make the 'Contents' box big, which is kind of annoying (for me) sometimes.
 * 2) If a character appears in more than 2 episodes of a season, then that character already has/should have a separate gallery, so there would be maximum 2 captions.

Also, thank you for recognizing the brain coral.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  14:27, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

As for the category, I'm not sure it would be a really useful one. The only kind of image categories are character images and media (episode, film etc) images. A renders category wouldn't fit in either.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  15:15, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

Re: References for the Crimson Goregutter
Hi Lady,

They were verbally introduced by Dean at Annecy. Their design, and the design of the Hob Gobbler were discussed and seen on screen. They are two of the rescue dragons from the "Rescue Mission" scene which sounds to be the opening scene for the movie when it is released. Since we don't have a video of the presentation, the sources provided by fans who were present should be reliable. They just don't come from an official crew member. And since it was a verbal introduction, the spelling might need to be changed later. But the info should be legit.

There's too many tweets and comments to scroll through to find where the name "Crimson Goregutter" was mentioned, but I remember reading it on Twitter. 🚨WARNING: SPOILERS BEHIND THE FOLLOWING LINK!🚨 Here is a detailed description of the Annecy presentation, including the introduction of these two new dragons. Unfortunately the name isn't mentioned here either, as the author of this summary likely couldn't remember what they were called when she wrote it.

Hope that helps! 😊

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 03:25, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

Edit: Looks like I gave up searching too soon!

Here Dean himself is quoted saying its name. Scroll down to "Rescue Mission".

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 04:40, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

COLLECTED INTERVIEWS, ETC. LINKS FOR HTTYD3

 * DeBlois, Dean. I’m Dean DeBlois, director of the How To Train Your Dragon movies, and can’t wait for you to see our third movie this March. AMA!. (June 7, 2018). Reddit.
 * Light Fury, Unnamed Light Fury, Coming-of-Age storyline, The Hidden World


 * Alexander, Bryan. Toothless is in love! New photos from 'How to Train Your Dragon 3'. (June 6, 2018). USA Today Life.
 * Light Fury, Unnamed Light Fury, Toothless


 * Shaw-Williams, Hannah. (Date Published - Jun 30, 2018) How to Train Your Dragon 3 Interview: Director Dean DeBlois. ScreenRant.
 * The Hidden World, Unnamed Light Fury abilities, Night vs Light Fury


 * Giardina, Carolyn, (Date Published - June 14, 2018) 'How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World': Director Dean DeBlois Reveals New Details. The Hollywood Reporter.
 * Automatic Tail, Coming-of-Age storyline, Unnamed Light Fury, Toothless, Hob Gobbler, Crimson Gorecutter, Grimmel the Grisly


 * Question for Dean DeBlois from Brenton Naicker. (Date Posted - June 10, 2018). Twitter
 * Deathgrippers


 * HTTYD3 Pannel: A Long Summary. (Date Posted - June 17, 2018). Tumblr
 * Crimson Gorecutter, Deathgripper, Hob Gobbler, Toothless, Light Fury, Grimmel the Grisly, the Hidden World, Hiccstrid, Automatic Tail, Supporting Characters, Berk

Re: Current ROB Gauntlet Event ...
Actually, that's an in-game typo. It shows for me the same thing. I guess you should let the image on the page and mention the typo somewhere (maybe in the trivia section?).

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  16:57, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Revisiting Gallery Layouts
A few things, first, I am fine with what you proposed in terms of the gallery layout. Secondly, in relation to that in terms of the image policy as covered in the manual of style, another thing besides the bad naming of images, and excessive uploads of pictures is that I see a lot is people uploading pngs. While there is nothing against uploading pngs, jpgs are a much more preferred format for pictures with little or no words on them, as the file size for them is smaller than pngs, and the upload faster then pngs. Lastly, congrats on getting the badge for making an edit on this wiki for 200 consecutive days. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 01:02, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

I actually am not familiar with the IPhone, as I have never had one. Too expensive for me. I have only ever had phones with the android system on them, with the phone brand I use being LG. So no, I can't help you with that. To further clarify about pictures, pictures with little or no words should be jpgs, while pictures with a lot of words are better saved as pngs than jpgs in that case only. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 14:04, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

Great! Hopefully it works really well. Anyway, you said you downloaded an episode from iTunes, which you do after purchasing it. Did you purchase the entire season, or just the episode? Purchasing the entire season (10 episodes) is cheaper than purchasing episodes individually. I do know that any episodes you purchased from a season will reduce the price of buying the season you got it from, so if the season is $17.99 then after purchasing two episodes from it, it will cost $12.01 to purchase the entire season, meaning that you will NEVER pay more than what the full cost of a season is on iTunes. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 16:21, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Layout for Galleries cont.
Hi Lady,

Apologies for the delayed reply. Holidays are always a time of extra stress for me, so this weekend was extra lazy as I was in recovery mode. Aside from checking in a few times, I wasn't active online much at all. 😥

About the gallery layout issue, I guess I vote for option 2. It really depends how many images there are. If there aren't very many, sub-galleries would be pointless and sub-headers would just clutter the page. So the first image from a specific episode should simply be captioned as such. If there's a lot of images, organizing them under sub-headers would help keep images organized. And if there's a LOT a lot (too tired right now to think of how else to put it, lol), then they can be separated into separate gallery pages/sub-galleries. The question is, how many images should we allow before organizing them under sub-headers, and then how many more should we allow before creating sub-galleries?

Good idea about putting reference links on the wiki somewhere! Am I correct that you put them on your talk page? I'll remember that next time I come across a reference containing confirmed HTTYD3 info. I've actually thought of asking if we should create an actual article listing all the official interviews done by various cast and crew of the movies and the series. Maybe laid out similar to this page. There's tons of great interviews out there with Dean, Jay, Art, and Douglas. A few others by other cast/crew as well. It'll be cool to have them all listed in one place.

Happy Monday. I hate Mondays. But happy Monday nonetheless. 😊

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 06:45, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

Hi Lady,

Back to the gallery layout issue, I think we're on the same page. I'm just not the best with words. 😛 So I may not have been using the terminology you'd otherwise expect. So, to spell it out more clearly, the following is what I'd vote for:
 * If a subject has less than 20-ish images, the gallery should remain on the main article. And the first image from an episode/movie/game should be captioned explaining where it's from.
 * If a gallery doesn't have enough images to warrant a separate gallery page to be created, it should be automatic that separate headings for each episode/movie/game not be included.
 * If a subject has more than 20-ish images, then a separate gallery page should be created in order to keep the main article from getting too long or appearing too cluttered. (I think this is part of the Article Standrads already).
 * On a separate gallery page, if there's still only one or two images from each episode/movie/game, the first image from that episode/movie/game should be captioned explaining where it's from, just like they'd be if the gallery remained on the main article page. Separate headings with only one or two images under each heading seem unnecessary and cluttering.
 * If at least one episode/movie/game has over 9-10 images like you said, then separate headings for each e/m/g should be made. (This is one detail that I didn't address earlier). That way when new images are added later, it would be easier to keep them organized by e/m/g rather than users just adding new images to the end of the list.

So in ending, I think we both agree on how they should be laid out. I was just trying to explain my reasoning and some exceptions we may come across.

And a sub-heading-

Hiccup's Workshop
I saw you've been updating Haddock House. Just one minor detail: Hiccup's workshop isn't in the house. It's a little cubby somewhere in Gobber's Blacksmith Shop. 😉 This has been proven in a number of ways-
 * 1) In the deleted scene "Axe to Grind", which clearly takes place in the forge, while waiting for Hiccup to fix her axe, Astrid pulls back a curtain (despite Hiccup begging her not to), to reveal the same space seen in the "Hiccup's Workshop" scene. Complete with drawings of the Mangler which she then asks him about.
 * 2) After their awkward exchange during the "Hiccup's Workshop" scene, Stoick tells Hiccup "I'll see you back at the house". Also, at the beginning of the scene, Hiccup says "Gobber's not here."
 * 3) At the very end of the scene, we see Stoick go through a curtain to leave (similar curtain as in "Axe to Grind"), and clumsily bump into a bunch of weapons hanging from the ceiling. There's also numerous weapons hanging on the wall behind him and stored in barrels on the floor. Way more weapons than Hiccup has ever had in his room.

I will admit that the desk in his workshop looks very similar to the desk in his room, so I can see where the confusion came from if that was the identifying factor.

Just wanted to point that out. I'll let you correct that if you want. 😊

--🍀 Dublyn~ (  talk  ) 20:16, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

Editing Transcripts?
hello Ladybrasa. My name's Hana, an ameature editor here in the wiki :)

I just recently found out that you guys actually had transcripts here in the wiki as well and decided to check one out, my first transcript reading being the rtte ''"Sandbusted". ''I read one and thought that A LOT of imformation was missing so I had to edit it a couple of times because A LOT seemed to be missing from the script, and I have watched that episode many times to know just what happens in the episode and decide to edit it.

I'm not really that confident when it comes to editing yet. I'm not sure if you're the one usually editing these transcripts but if you have the time, can you check my edit and see if it fits with the format? I've only edited 1/4 of the script so if I have made a huge mistake on my edit, i'll only need to erase 1/4 and let it be. I've only edited it until the scene where Hiccup's betrothal gift gets stolen, after that, I no longer made edits, scared that the formal I wrote was wrong.

Can you be kind enough to chekc it and say if it is correct editing or not? If it is, I'll continue editing it until I finish the whole episode :) Thankyou so much!

ThisIsRiderHana (talk) 09:42, July 10, 2018 (UTC)

I've just updated the MoS. Please do take a lot and see if I've got the gallery part right. Thanks! --https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/0/04/TheWoollyHowlSig2.gif/revision/latest?cb=20170430071121 (talk)  11:59, July 11, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Categories
I thought it would be helpful to differentiate between Book and Franchise articles, and group Transcripts, Media and Franchise characters, locations and objects together.

So should I instead add the Media category to Transcripts?

Also, there are some categories in certain RTTE Episodes which I feel are not exactly fitting to the episode... Is that just me or are there some incorrect categories?

AWESOME512345 (talk) 10:48, July 14, 2018 (UTC)

I removed the franchise category from all the pages that one user added them to, and then deleted the category. I had to pause the mass categorization and close it and reopen it and set it up to remove the franchise category from the pages, since it after a certain number of pages started to fail to remove the category. That is not the only problem I have had with the mass categorization the tool, it also has given me the exact same problem when adding a category to multiple pictures, or pages, as it starts to fail to add the category after a certain point. I had not had this problem, until maybe a couple of months ago. Anyway, it was much easier to deal with the problem when I was removing pages because of course when re-adding category contents it starts at the page where the system started to fail to remove the category that I asked it to remove. The problem is annoying, but at least I can get around it, even if takes a little longer to do what I am trying to do then it should. HiccstridFan92 (talk) 13:51, July 14, 2018 (UTC)

Unfamiliar Info
Hey there LadyBrasa, can I ask something concerning the Relationship Article between Hiccup and Fishlegs? I was reading through the informations on that article and I read something that I am quite unfamiliar with. The words being:

''"They've been friends at least since they were seven years old, when they spent Snoggletog together, and Hiccup has fond memories of how excited Fishlegs had been that year." ''

I am only curious because I haven't heard or known an information like this before :( Is this a false info? Or maybe I'm just plainly clueless to the topic? If i am, can you please direct to which episode...? Because i am completely unaware.

Thanks! :)

🌹 Hana  (  talk  ) 09:16, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

Alright, I will. Thanks anyways! :) ➣🌹 Hana  (  talk  ) 13:37, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

Useful tool
I'm not sure if you knew about it, but there is a tool on the wiki called Multiple Upload that allows you to upload multiple files at once. I only discovered it yesterday and since you uploaded lots of files in the last few days, I thought I should tell you about it since it is very useful for multiple uploads. If you already knew about it, then sorry I bothered you!

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  06:56, July 17, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Medical Stuff and Templates
Yes, the builder is something normal. Unlike other templates, infoboxes are created/edited differently.

Also, good idea that you thought of an infobox for diseases! It is true that there are not many of them, but important is that there are. Go ahead and make one!

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  04:27, July 26, 2018 (UTC)

Both the infobox and navbox look good to me. However, I removed Eel from the navbox because Eel Pox was already listed there and is kind of the same thing.

 Tauriel of Mirkwood ( talk )  04:09, July 27, 2018 (UTC)

Re: References
Hi, just want to clarify; when you said I can use the Quote template in the synopsis section, did you mean something like this?



And about the references - I've actually read the Manual of Style before adding those in, though I'm still not sure if I'm doing it correctly - I need some help and verification especially for episodes "The Longest Day", "King of Dragons, Part 2", and "Shock and Awe" if I did it properly. By the way, thank you for giving me extra heads-up about this! Lasscess (talk) 19:07, July 28, 2018 (UTC)