User talk:Lightning the Skrill

Because until you edit the talk pages, they do not exist, so by me saying something on your talk page, it creates it!Leaving no details out. Baricuda (talk) 15:16, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Thanks for your edit to the User talk:Toothless the Nightfury page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Baricuda (talk) 10:35, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Dragon root
Dragons go insane over it and can't control themselves.. That's a weakness. Valka is waiting for me! Thecloudjumperdragon (talk) 04:41, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Not really, a weakness means that you can use it against them, in this case dragons. You cannot use dragon root against dragons. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 4:51, June 17 2014 (UTC)

Yea, throw it and they will go after it and you can escape quickly... Also, throw it on another dragon and it will be chasing the other dragon around, not you. Plus, the dragon doesn't listen when you give it to them.. Valka is waiting for me! Thecloudjumperdragon (talk) 14:48, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

How does the dragon root affect the screaming death being a boulder class dragon. Is it being a mutation dragon.

But I doubt the dragon root cause a affect. I think it saw Meatlug and Fishlegs in the open and just try to eat them. The jaws were just enough to fit both of them. Should we say on the triva for both that they were the first characters very close to got eaten by wild dragon What about this part (FireTerryTiger (talk) 04:06, December 26, 2014 (UTC))

I don't know, it never said that dragon root doesn't affect ALL Boulder class dragons. Maybe maybe not. But I'm sure it causes an addiction, maybe like drugs, maybe. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 1:35, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

Oh maybe it was mistake they editors didn't think about it Meatlug was fine (FireTerryTiger (talk) 06:06, December 26, 2014 (UTC))

Skrill
OK, I don't entirely agree with all that you've put for the Skrill, but I can see why you did that. However, the speed isn't JUST 19, it's 11 when not riding lightning. That's what dragonpedia says. I had removed the other weaknesses because they weren't explicitly shown to be weaknesses of the Skrill, and they're more a dragon-weakness than a Skrill-weakness. Dragon Book (talk) 12:54, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

The Bewilderbeast controls all dragons exept Red Deaths. All dragons are afraid of eels except the Bewilderbeast, Red Death, and Screaming Death and Typhoomerang. And dragon nip affects pretty much all dragons. See what I mean. And the Skrill is also the second fastest dragon after the Night Fury. The Skrill could outrun and keep up with Toothless if you watch the episodes, Stormfly could keep up with the Skrill because she ate chicken a lot. Besides the Skrill wasn't using lightning when it was flying away from Toothless and Stormfly. I hope that answers everything.Lightning the Skrill (talk) June 18, 1:43, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe, but the episodes tend to have errors. The website says the speed is 11/19. You don't know weather or not the Seashocker is afraid of eels, it probably isn't. And exactly! See, things like than, and Dragon Root, should be dragon-weaknesses, not species-weaknesses. "The Skrill has one weakness…" Dragon Book (talk) 15:04, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

I have undone your edit to the filghtmare page bacause that flightmare has no kind of fire at all.

 Rider ranger47   My HTTYD fanfics 14:06, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Skrill has weakness water. If fell in the water its vulnerable. That's how Alvin caught it by the net. That what Fishlegs saids. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 04:11, December 26, 2014 (UTC))

I know that. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 12:45, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

skrill
Hi lightning! I was just wanting to show u this artical and picture that proves the skrill will be in school of dragons. []  Shoxskrill (talk) 01:41, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Wow, thank you, I really hope that it would turn out that way!:) Lightning the Skrill (talk) 11:20, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Red Death Image
Hi, thank you very much for daily edits and I really appreciate! I'm sorry to change the profile image of the Red Death, but I personaly think a closed-up image of face seems more appropriate and thus I did change. Again, sorry and thank you. Best Regards. DreamBrisdin (talk) 14:22, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Skrill
are sure its 28 ftlong looks like 30ftGian94 (talk) 04:50, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Ok I'm not 100 percent sure but the Skrill sizes up to Toothless pretty well and is you estimate it, it would be around 28-29 feet because Toothless, also Night Furies are 26-27 feet. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 7:37, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Shots
I am watch httyd 2,and calculat 12 shot toothless

After 6 shots he fired 2 quickly, than after some time the other 4, he reloded his shots. And again, Please add a new headline in a new section....Lightning the Skrill (talk) 10:17, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Hidden Ability
The deflecting Plamsa Blast of his the skrill wings is not hidden ability because Hiccup and Toothless didn't know it could do that. Which was awesome. That will be hidden ability wouldn't it.

Which part of the show did it demonstrate that? Was it when the Skrill was controlled by Dagur? Lightning the Skrill (talk) 10:43, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Both epsodes shown it It's was so cool Its has to be hidden ability. Hiccup and toothless were suprise it can do that

(FireTerryTiger (talk) 03:12, December 23, 2014 (UTC))

I need to know which part please.Lightning the Skrill (talk) 10:59, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

In first epsode shown it first then the second part show it more in the end. When it was controlled by dager Didn't you saw this epsodes (FireTerryTiger (talk) 16:35, December 23, 2014 (UTC))

Another ability of immunty not sure its real quite possible not Their is photo of vicking feeding eels to a skrill but According to Fishlegs most dragons never ears eels accept for Typhoomberangs. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 16:58, December 23, 2014 (UTC))

I watched it many times, but WHEN did it show in the FIRST EPISODE, when Dagur controlled the Skrill, Toothless' blast was VERY weak, not designed for bringing down anything. The plasma blast was 2/10 power. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 10:15, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

In the second part he did it again showing to reflecting it. So it must be ability because I was just watch it right showing it

Copy and paste this please "Defenders of Berk: Shocking Defeat | Dreamworks Dragons | Cartoon Network"

(FireTerryTiger (talk) 02:25, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

Hidden abilities That Grouncles have the most few hidden abilities that immunity to dragon root, able to shoot out those bumps, and making new fire for creating weapons. What the next hidden ability lol

For nightmare hidden ability the wing blast is so powerful so awesome I always new has that ability. I think their another hidden ability that they can shoot out fire slicers as using fire jacket that can shoot from wings to attack.

It's not hidden ability, it's just an ability because we already know the ability. Reflecting a blast is not an ability. Nearly every long winged dragon can do it, if a blas is weak, it was shown in the episode as I mentioned earlier. I coudn't play the video, just does not work, will try again. Please know HIDDEN. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 12:50, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Nightmare hidden ability is not Wait what

So this wingblast is actual a ability It took so long to know and hookfang didn't know it could do that or other nightmares neber shown it So what is that actually of this ability Why does the monstrous nightmare page saids hidden ability

The single spine shot is not hidden ability its a skill

""Hidden abilities That Grouncles have the most few hidden abilities that immunity to dragon root, able to shoot out those bumps, and making new fire for creating weapons. What the next hidden ability lol""" (FireTerryTiger (talk) 04:57, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

I was talking about the SKRILL and GRONKLE. It is true, like you said that if the dragon itself does know it than it woruld or might be a hidden ability. Hookfang's and Monstrous Nightmare's hidden ability is the wing blast, Toothless' and Night Furies' hidden ability is the open spikes and the alpha form of blue fire. its because the dragon doesnt know that, you were right on that, but i'm talking about the Skrill. Wing whatever is not an HIDDEN ability, possibly not an ability at all. Confirm. What part??? Lightning the Skrill (talk) 1:12, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Wait what I confuse These are my questions 1. monstrous nightmare have hidden ability the wing blast yes or no

2.Night fury The echolation of Nightfury is not hidden ability because Hiccup didn't know that

The spilt spines was a secret hidden ability that what I remember the picture of toothless before the 2nd movie came explains the sizes and abilities

3.Grounckles Hidden abilities That Grouncles have the most few hidden abilities that immunity to dragon root, able to shoot out those bumps, and making new fire for creating weapons. What the next hidden ability yes or no

4.Skrill So the inner body tempeture is hidden ability which I'm not sure anymore because how did Fishlegs know that to explain to his friends. Wings reflector of Plamsa blast seems more of hidden ability

5.Deadly Nadder Single spine shot is a skill correct

The chicken diet to enchance speed is hidden ability

The ability of their sense of smell can't be hidden ability also which this so stupid If their scence of smell is so strong they wouldn't have blind spot because though their eyes are on the sides but their noise should be able to tell their enemy front of them. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 06:00, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

1. Yes 2. Yes true 3. Those are not HIDDEN abilities, they are not really abilities, except the bumps one. 4. Yes the inner temp is not a HIDDEN ability, but the wing reflector is NOT a ability. It was never proven strong or really reflecting the blast. 5. Single spine shot, on that you are right. But chicken diet is NOT a HIDDEN ability because the dragon knew it, she wanted to eat it. Sense of smell is not hidden, yes you are right on that. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 2:06, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Wait 1-3 are confusing can u explain more

1. monstrous nightmare have hidden ability the wing blast yes or no

2.Nightfury Echolocation is hidden ability or not

The spilt fins are secert hidden ability

3.grounckel Bumps are hidden ability Immunity of dragon root of rock diet and creating Grounckle irion not hidden ability because are differ rocks They didn't know that even though Fishlegs is boulder class expert (FireTerryTiger (talk) 06:38, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

Sorry, I coudn't connect to the Internet. Anyways, 1.YES

2.Echolocation is NOT a hidden ability. Split spikes IS a hidden ability.

3. Bumps IS a hidden ability. The OTHERS ARE NOT. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 9:23, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

What about this for Nightmares if they put their talons into the ground they shown to have Vibration Decatur like some dinosaur experts believe that trex can feel the ground of vibrations of another dinosaurs. So let's say Hookfang puts his talons into the ground or cave he can sense that things that are going to be destroy like fallen rocks or earthquakes in time to escape. Is this a ability since hookfang know about this. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 14:33, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

Did Hookfang demonstrate this, where, which episode?? I don't think he did this. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 11:04, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to get you scare but I was just saying that Nightmare could do that.

It will be awesome though

Alvin is riding on the neck he was holding on hookfang horns if you look closer. I just watched (FireTerryTiger (talk) 15:31, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

Chicken diet for Stormfly This diet enhance her speed to be fast or near Toothless Are you sure is not hidden ability because Astrid said she was studying her diet. Stormfly seems to love very munch but possible she didn't know that

So hidden abilities are something dragons don't know

Wait at min Gronkels shoot those bumps that can't be hidden ability then well never shown it but if they sleep then provoke they shoot it all direction that its surrounding the gronkle can't be hidden ability just special ability. Other hidden abilities gronkel iron makeing and dragon root immunty. Are they hidden abilities. Also on the gronkle page said many hidden hidden abilities If you look at it

Zipplebacks flaming wheel not hidden ability then a ability since some of alpha Zipplebacks use these so not hidden ability. Just ability.

Toothless echolocation not hidden ability just making sure that I understand

Thunderdrum blue fire not hidden ability right they must know since this fire is so powerful that they will waist their stamina and make them vulnerable right.

I was wondering what will happen of Valka unleashed Nightmare hidden ability like she did with toothless. Maybe his hidden ability of his fire jack will grow larger and his fire could be hot as the sun but munch larger like spreading. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 15:59, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

Oh, come on. The developers won't make its hidden ability to have fire as hot as the sun. It's already has on 2 dragons, Deady Nadders and Fireworms. You got 1 in a 10thousand on that:D Oh and btw, is the Monstrous Nightmare your favorite dragon? Lightning the Skrill (talk) 9:06, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

Yes monstrous nightmares so no for hidden ability if was unlock by Valka won't be hotter of their fire

Hidden abilities for gronkles is immunty of dragon root, gronkle irion, and bumps shoot (FireTerryTiger (talk) 01:36, December 26, 2014 (UTC))

Abilities
Monstrous nightmare Page is correct I did very best to do the abilities

No one look at it so I'm very nervous that they will deleted

Most of it true

Wild nightmares from the first actual did these showing their strength

Wild nightmare carry hippo that is based on Gloria from Madagascar

Another nightmare Crush with one foot no stuggle to to destroy hiccup invention easily

Hookfang strength shown to be strong enough to wing flap Meatlug and her rider good distance as well in s2 ep 19 part 1

How strong are monstrous nightmares to you I think nightmares are physically stronger then Nightfury but Nightfurys are skilled combat dragon.

As toothless shown to defeat dragons like Nightmares, Grounckles, whispering deaths on his own but others gets help with Hiccup for flying and his Intelligence.

Gronckels strength shown to be at least under 1,000lbs but mostly they have brute strength as dragon like they Meatlug use her weight as Bodyslam on Snoutlout and Toothless. Also slam into Stoick that she able to make him stun for short period and damage to Screaming Death. You have to admit this is true mostly brute strength. And Meatlug couldn't lift heavy objects if she does shown a lot of struggles.

Grounckles tail club do you think its weird looking in the picture of the boulder class looks better.

(FireTerryTiger (talk) 06:51, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

I think you should really improve your English and spelling, I'm sorry to offend you but I can't understand some parts because of your grammar. Yes the Monstrous Nightmare might be stronger than a Night Fury physically but Toothless has shown much stronger strength by pushing 'Hookfang' off his back. The others I can't really understand, sorry. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 8:20, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

For monstrous nightmare page do you mind if you can look at it

I did the page for the abilities can you look to see its ok.

Monstrous nightmare said to be one of strongest so i think they stronger then Nightfury in my theory.

Also I was wondering size of monstrous nightmare post to be 70ft long the film makers said he 61ft long and 68ft wingspan that he weights 5,000lbs. Is he young age that his kind takes long time to grow full adult.

Why are Deadly Nadders aren't in the sharp class anymore they never shown their ability of their sense of smell. I understand Zipplebacks being in the mystery class dragons because of their abilities of stealth and gas.

Typhoomberang speed I still don't think its 20 I believe 18 and Screaming death as well.

Typhoomberang are so strong I think they can lift at least close to 12tons. But I can't be sure I wish they can explain more of their abilities of this show. Like thornado was shown for his kind to be physically stronger then nightfurys able to pull two vickings ships and carry his rider.

Nightmare neck muscle I think can carry over 600-800lbs. If Stoick is really 400 by according to Hiccup and Snoulout looks like he around 150lbs making at least 550lbs on that neck but if we know the weight of Alvin to me he looks heavier then Stoick.

I'm trying my best to contact Chris Sanders so he can explain the dragons more. Like jaw strength that monstrous nightmare and Nightfury are 6 so how strong is that force in lbs? (FireTerryTiger (talk) 14:27, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

Im sorry, PLEASE WAIT, I am having big difficulties because you keep interrupting my edits. PLEASE don't type for a while. If you can't see my respond today, then it will be tomorrow.

I'm going to check that page later, Monstrous Nightmare abilities section right? Anyways, the Monstrous Nightmare is not one of the most stronger dragons, a lot of dragons have been proven more stronger. It might be physically stronger than a Night Fury because it is bigger. The Monstrous Nightmare in my opinion can't be 70 feet, just too big. I don't know, how big are Elephants? You should research it, the dragon can't be more than 20 feet longer because Elephants are huge. In my opinion it can't, but you can ask some admins about this question. Deadly Nadders, idk why they were removed from the sharp class but they have been shown sometimes to track a lot of dragons and people down, of course not as much as a Rumblehorn but is can still track good. For example, when Hiccup and Toothless flew off in HTTYD 2, Stormfly could easily find Hiccup and Toothless for Astrid because she was used to their smell. On the Typhoomerang, I agree with you, I personally don't think that they are speed 20, it's just messed up, idk why.

Oh whoa there, calm down. Do you know how heavy 12 tons are. Even with the massive size I don't think that Typhoomerangs can lift that heavy, maybe close to 9 tons or less. Yes, Monstrous Nightmare's neck is pretty strong, but Alvin wasn't sitting directly on the neck, just a bit behind.

12tons is 24,000lbs lol

Phew, answered all of them. I hope that explained everything. Feel free to ask more, but SLOWLY, haha can't take all that pressure!! Anyways, Merry Christmas, or Snoggletog if you prefer!! :D Lightning the Skrill (talk) 11:00, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

When did i talk about elephants lol? Elephants are around 24ft long, weight 6-7tons, and 10-13ft tall

On the blue ray of HTTYD said monstrous nightmares can reach 69ft meaning 70ft long while Hookfang is 61 which is stupid couldn't they say 62 I don't like odd numbers munch but if they like reach odd numbers like these 15,25,35,45,55,65,75,85,95,105, 115, 125, 135ft long like this I don't mind. Not big fan if its 11, 13,17,19,21,23ft in length either even number or like the numbers like these 25,35,45,65, and 70ft long that's fine. They should said Hoofang is 62 not 61ft. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 15:23, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

These abilities on the dragon pages for classification on different species should put Special Abilities

Special Abilities are things that certain animal or dragon can do

Special Ability Nightmare: Fire Burst and Wing blast

Special ability Changewing: camouflaging and Acid

Special ability Nightfury: Echolocation and Plasma blast

Deadly Nadder: hot as sun for flamethrower and spine shot is special ability

Skrill special ability Electrify control couldn't find the actual word and body tempture control also I still say the reflector plasma blast wings.

Gronckels Special ability are Lava blast, dragon root immunity, making gronkel iron and bump shooter

These are Normal Abilities that all dragons do have in common have strength, speed, climbing, swimmer/aquatic, roar, flying, Acrobatic, roar, stealth, jaw strength, senses, Intelligence,  endurable, and stamina

Also the kind of rumblehorn abilities on his page of classification

Charging its horns and tail cluab should not be on it. Other dragons can do that a well. Like Gronckels have horn and tail cluab. Like nightmares have tail that is cluab like.

Also hunting is it ability or skill I wasn't sure to me its ability. Most Dragons do eat meat, fish, and certain bolder class dragon rocks. Monstrous nightmare can swallow a vicking hole that so cool like snake. Changewings hunt as lions pride or mostly wolves according to hiccup.

Look, special ability is a different kind of ability, you can't just change the page. Most of those you mentioned were abilities. Special is also unique, the dragon doesn't know of it yet. They are just abilities, besides, their firepower should not be classified as ability because most dragons have them, shouldn't be put on a species page unless it is very unique. They are not SPECIAL abilities. And what you said in the beginning of the sentence, is wrong. Even ability doesn't match up to that. It could be skill, ability, movement, senses or anything, but they are not special ability. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 8:35, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

1. Question on abilities

What about rumblehorn abilities on that info page They said abilities tail cluab and charging horns that's shouldn't be their other dragons can do those as well.

Gronkel abilitiy of the shoot bumbpers out of their body shouldn't be hidden. Gronckels possible know this. The hidden ability to me is the gronkel irion lava. That's mine theory.

Nadder chickend diet is hidden ability

Skrill inner body tempture normal ability

Nightmare wingblast a hidden ability and what do you think could be another hidden ability can they have I think realsing fire slicers just like the toy they have.

Nightfury split fins is hidden ability

Zipplebacks flaming wheel not hidden ability because alpha Zipplebacks are able to use this

Thunderdrum blue fire ball a normal ability

Terrors singing normal ability

2. Monstrous nightmare vs Nightfury on their strength

Nightmares are some of the strongest dragons possible of medium size dragons.

I think nightmare can lift up 3-5tons Hookfang was able to grab toothless weight in his mouth to throw him off his chest in Vicking for Hire when they were fighting.

Nightfury can lift 3-4tons Toothless was able to stop angry Barf&Belch that weights around 3tons

(FireTerryTiger (talk) 02:51, December 25, 2014 (UTC))

You have to conform the ability and anything else. You CANNOT put un cannon information on the wiki. You can't say or THINK that Toothless is how many pounds. They have to be CANNON info. Please talk to the admins. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 6:22, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

As it is quick to anger, the Monstrous Nightmare can be counted on to be the first to arrive and the last to leave in a fight. Should this be in the combat ability describing their fighting

Chris Sanders
I'm trying to contact this guy He the owner of the tv show, and the movies

I'm trying to ask him questions Like he needs to explain more of the dragon abilities, sizes, and the skills that dragons have learn didn't use munch in the second film. I was hoping to the fighting skills of Meatlug to use in battle. Like the gale force gronkle mostly.

If I do you have any questions for him if I get to talk to him.

Take this numbers as well I was given

This is dane stonger he the artist of the show (941) 928-4888

I have him idea of episode he thought it was fun So he going to give to the network if they can make it He nice try to call him he can help out Don't tell him u got it from me He can help Just give him phone call or text

Dream works (818) 695-5000 Ask for chris sanders try to convince them

I did my best I bet you can

At least try you never known (FireTerryTiger (talk) 19:17, December 24, 2014 (UTC))

Hold on, where does he live, where do you live, what country?? Lightning the Skrill(talk) 8:38, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm in new york

Did you try to call chris sanders Just get to the meachine to leave voice mail Tell them what you think its wroung

I was asking about the sizes and abilities to them

Please give them a call More then one person can help out

Please they going to mess up please Give it try (FireTerryTiger (talk) 03:12, December 25, 2014 (UTC))

Merry Christmas! First of all FireTerryTiger, is English your main language? It would help if you told us what your first language is if it is not English.Taking life very seriously, StaticTheSkrill (talk) 12:17, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Yea, Merry Christmas too!! He said he is from New York, it should be english but I dont know, his English is not so good :( I dont live in an english country, actually i live in Hong Kong, but my first language is english. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 10:13, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sup, I hope I'm not disturbing you guys but I just wanted to say that he got speech problems. He said that to me in my talk page. Anyways, merry christmas to you all! A Huge HTTYD Fan: OVERPOWERED99 (talk) 16:40, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Merry christmas to both of you (FireTerryTiger (talk) 17:32, December 25, 2014 (UTC))

Did you try to call (FireTerryTiger (talk) 01:08, December 27, 2014 (UTC))

I'm sorry, I can't call, I'm not in the United States. I can't call.Lightning the Skrill (talk) 10:37, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Do you know administer that lives in United States?

More then one person can help out of the show. We have to contact him He needs to explain dragon growths like why did wispering deaths grow so fast just under few epsodes and torch took at least somewhere under 1-2 season so fast. Animals grow up 2-4yrs. Toothless grow bigger as well as he 20yrs old possible grown full size adult. Dosent make sence. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 03:17, December 27, 2014 (UTC))

We cannot force him to give you some answers you just want. We don't have to contact him. Why does he have to explain? Because people just want logic. Why can't you just find answers from your self that actually make sence? The Whispering Deaths have their own biology. They are not real ok. All dragons have their own nature. It's like your saying that animals cannot breathe flames. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 12:16, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Why can't they just simply explain the reason dragons growth? Look at toothless a Nightfury that is the same age as hiccup. It took possible years like 6. He could be 14 in the first film then 15yrs old tv series and next movie 5yrs later 20. Torch was baby who grow under 1-2season. Wispering death could be on of the fastest growth of dragons. This what I mean they should explain. They couldn't they dragons grow munch faster then any animal or human that you could imagine. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 04:33, December 27, 2014 (UTC))

I don't know why they don't explain but the dragons are a imagination, not real. But if they were, they are different animals. Different kind, different species of different animals. They are DIFFERENT. The producers want to make the show release quicker and make the show more realistic. But that combination is IMPOSSIBLE when the HAVE TO STICK TO THE MOVIE LINE. They cannot make Hiccup 18 in tunnel vision when he is 15 or 16 in Live and let fly.Lightning the Skrill (talk) 12:42, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sizes
Think about Meatlug is female of her kind that weights 5,724lbs now think about a male will be heavier bit bigger like reaching 3tons. Like animals of today's most males are larger then females and gronkles are like the rhinos of their world. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 02:44, December 31, 2014 (UTC))

Dude, you don't know. Maybe Gronckles are not like Rhinos. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 5:07, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

Strength
Alvin and Stoick possible share the same strength or maybe Alvin tiny bit stronger. He was able to throw Nadder that Stormfly weight is over 1ton that he was able to throw it and single punch to make female gronkle stun. So Alvin strength could be near 2,000-2,500lbs for my threoy. Maybe Stoick will be 1,500-2,000lbs. The reason Stoick one could his skills of fighter is munch higher. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 02:52, December 31, 2014 (UTC))

These guys are supernatural awesome I love Alvin becoming good guy.

You know what I hoping for the third and Fourth season

Alvin will sacrifice his life to save Stoick from a war or battle. That Alvin will possible have his men on outcast island and Berkserks possible he has them defeating Dagger. Maybe Dagger is a servant to Alvin lol and Savage. That will make Mildew his second in command. And he still possible have the Whispering Death on his side. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 02:58, December 31, 2014 (UTC))

FireTerryTiger, we don't need to be specific about everything. Making it simpler will make it easier to read the informations on the wiki. Anyways, not everyone uses or knows about the LBS measurement (like me).  OVERPOWERED99 |  HTTYD Wiki  |  Let's Talk!  |  I Contribute!  |  Read My Blogs!  | 09:40, 31-12-2014

Adminster
Do you know anyone that can help me

Like the best I can chat with if you don't mind (FireTerryTiger (talk) 07:02, January 2, 2015 (UTC))

Toothless the Nightfury, I guess. But don't bug people, PLEASE. I don't want to get blamed. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 4:07, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

HOW COOL!!!
Fantastic! I LOVE that picture of you with real life Toothless! MAN. I am sooooo jealous! I'd love to have gotten to do that! Kudos for getting a picture! I'm so happy for you!Toothless the Nightfury (talk) 22:46, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks ALOT man!!! Lightning the Skrill (talk) 9:22, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Hey can u check on the monstrous nightmare page (FireTerryTiger (talk) 07:22, January 4, 2015 (UTC))

Thanks for checking what did u fix exactly I didn't see any changes in my phone What do u mean cannon I the did.

I saw the picture looks so real. Where did you see toothless?

Stoick being Dragon Slayer
He used to be dragon slayer shouldn't we put that information as Skills. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 16:18, January 4, 2015 (UTC))

I'm not gonna clean up your mess again Gian, but I would like to say that can already be described in Strenght. Megadracosaurus (talk) 17:03, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

True in his strength but this Dragon Slayer we could say like mildew page

Stoick used to kill dragons in his past until his son change his opion about that they were mostly being force by their queen

How is Mildew a Dragon Slayer!? Besides, it can be just in Strenght. Just put he's strong enough to kill Dragons. Besides, most Vikings (With the exception of Valka and the Teens) used to slay Dragons. So, Stoick killing Dragons isn't really that special, at least not so special to put an entire section for it. Heck, even Hiccup killed a Dragon with Toothless' help. Megadracosaurus (talk) 17:13, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, literally everyone on Berk were dragon slayers, before Hiccup bonded with Toothless, well excluding Valka. That does include Mildew, but it's not suppose to be mentioned because it's too obvious. You can say that Stoick was one of the strongest men on Berk, it is true, physically. Everyone adult on Berk can kill an "average" sized dragon, like Monstrous Nightmares, Gronckles etc.. And he is Gian isn't he? Lightning the Skrill (talk) 6:55, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

That's exactly my point. And yes, its Gian. Same arguments, same grammar, same behavior, same obsessions with weight, Nightmares, comparisons to the real world, length and the chat, same information, same everything really.Megadracosaurus (talk) 10:58, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Eh, that is true. Hopefully he doesn't make that much trouble this time...Lightning the Skrill (talk) 7:02, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Same...Well, not for myself as I'm not online as much as I used too. But for other's, yes. Megadracosaurus (talk) 11:04, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

No no, I meant stubbornness, he is not there right now, one positive side, the negative side, people have to ALWAYS keep track of him, well different people. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 7:07, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

stubbornness? You mean when he asks about things that cannot be proven or aren't canon or are just kind of impossible, like the weight/length questions, the Death Roll of a Monstrous Nightmare and when he wanted to write a letter about one of the creators of the series? And yes, people do need to keep an eye out...But about that letter, I don't know how that guy's agenda looks like, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't answer random e-mails about how heavy a Gronckle is...Plus, I find it kind of useless to compare the Dragons to real animals. Especially if those arguments don't apply to real animals.Megadracosaurus (talk) 11:26, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

He is stubborn, but at least the admins right now don't have to chase him like last time until he got blocked. Now we are doing all that stuff. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 10:04, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Monstrous Nightmare Abilities
Questions

1. I know I talk a lot about this I can't stop wondering. So does anyone know how many tons can Nightmare lift in the air. They are very strong they post to be one of the strongest they must be stronger then Nightfury but Toothless shown for his kind their combat ability is the highest of all dragons possible, Toothless defeated Hookfang in short but brutal fight well he did fight each other twice, and gronkle. Hookfang shown a lot of his strength for his kind. So how many tons can Hookfang can lift up? I think 4-5tons and Nightfury 3.5-4tons. Monstrous Nightmare combat ability is added. What about hunting ability as Fabghook show to chase their prey just like predators like wolves use this to make their prey to get exuasted by using up their stamina.

2. Death Roll wouldn't be cool that they have this for another special ability besides Fire Burst. This attack should be powerful enough to take Army of vickings around and bring down a Bonenapper to the floor. This is reall cool even combo with fire jacket to make Flamming Death Roll.

3.I add more info on pages please be free to see its ok please I beg of you I want to get more better learing from my actions. I want to get dragon knowledge like Fishlegs lol. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 05:34, January 6, 2015 (UTC))

Ok, so if you want to help on the wiki without disturbing others, some tips of what not to do. 1. Don't assume or be extra curious. Don't ask questions that are NOT proven in the films, like you asked about how heavy can the Monstrous Nightmare lift. They have never been demonstrated. So don't care about this as a question to OTHER PEOPLE. You can have theories, but they are not cannon. 2. Don't add abilities like death roll to dragons if they have not been proven. There is NO SUCH THING AS DEATH ROLL!!!. Please DON'T mention it anymore. I'ts annoying. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 6:01, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

The Nightmare ability section is a mess anyway. Its full of repetive and unnecary info. For example, why is it so special that a large creature like a Nightmare was able to crush Hiccup's Mangler 'without even struggeling'? That makes Nightmares sound really weak. Its like an elephant crushing a small box. Its just not impressive or worth mentioning at all. And their fire being able to burn wood is very, very useless. Because...ITS FIRE! Fire burns wood! That's common knowledge! Gian hasn't changed a bit when it come's to the information he typed. Megadracosaurus (talk) 13:27, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

You got a point there! But what happened to the Night Fury page? The infobox is totally messed up from red to white, any idea? Lightning the Skrill (talk) 9:39, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

I haven't checked that page yet, and I'm not really sure how infoboxes work :/ Megadracosaurus (talk) 13:48, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Y'know, the 'How strong is a Nightmare' question reminds of the question asked me that one time we, regrettably, chatted...How strong is Toothless, he asked? And I said there is no answer to that, as we have never seen the limit to his power and probably never will...He kept telling me he's strong enough to hold Barf and Belch down on the ground, able to beat Hookfang etc. But that's not the limit of his strength, is it? It was an annoying question, and the fact he gloated about it made it even worse...But alas, that's in the past. Anyways, I think your problem with the infobox is fixed. Megadracosaurus (talk) 14:05, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Ah I see, it is pretty annoying, yes he is asking about Hookfang now. As you said, there has been no proof of the limit of strength, absolutely right! How strong is Toothless? Simple answer: he is pretty strong...lol if that's exactly what he asked. So you can't say anything without proof. And yes the infobox is fixed, thanks for saying! Lightning the Skrill (talk) 10:33, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, Gian always had an obsession with Hookfang and other Nightmares to the point he once said they are stronger then a Skrill, Flightmare, Changewing, Night Fury, Thunder Drum and Typhoomerang without proof. Plus, he thought a Nightmare would defeat a Thunder Drum under water. And you're welcome! Thanks for helping me clean up the Nightmare page. I did the Gronckle and Zippleback too.Megadracosaurus (talk) 14:37, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

1.Nightmare strength why was it off in that page. They have shown off their strength able to hold heavy weight of Vicking and extra weight of teen vicking by Hookfang to hold Gobber or Alvin with Snotlout. A Wild nightmare were shown to be able to carry hippo and another nightmare was able to crush Hiccup invention the Mangler easily. Hookfang could easily hold the weight of Toothless in his mouth to toss it of his chest. Hookfang even shown to stop a speeding Meatlug with extra weight with rider by using his wing.

2.Combat ability Really no good I did a lot of work showing off their fighting style in the movie and tv.

3.According to Astrid their fire is incredible dangoures as shown in Tale of two dragons.

I'm so confuse lol I really need to become Nightmaer expert so I can understand better. Please help (FireTerryTiger (talk) 15:07, January 6, 2015 (UTC))

Being able to carry animals or Vikings isn't special, as so far, all riding Dragons have done that. Crushing Hiccup's mangler isn't impressive in the slightest. Is it impressive when an elephant breaks a small, wooden box? No. And compare Toothless' size, to Hookfang's size. Then its suddenly not impressive anymore. Unless you think its really special if a large animal throws a smaller one anyway. And last time I checked, all fire is incredible dangerous! Fire burns through wood easily. If you say that a Nightmare 'can even burn wood' with its fire, you're indirectly saying its a very weak fire. And I personally don't care how much work you put in it. Everyone makes something every once in a while and its deleted because other's don't agree. It happens to everything. It come's with being a member of a wiki. Megadracosaurus (talk) 15:13, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I agree with the Nightmare's fire being very dangerous. If you watch the extras in the HTTYD DvD, watch 'The Anatomy of a Dragon'. If I remember correctly, one of the special effect guy said that Chris Sanders (or someone else) wanted the Nightmare's fire to be so flammable that it can burn through dirt or concrete. It's also lava-like, although not really a lava but it can splash of walls and ground.  OVERPOWERED99 |  HTTYD Wiki  |  Let's Talk!  |  I Contribute!  |  Read My Blogs!  | 15:21, 6-1-2015

I never said it isn't strong. I said its not impressive if fire can 'even burn trees'.Megadracosaurus (talk) 15:23, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

I was replying to FireTerryTiger's third statement.  OVERPOWERED99 |  HTTYD Wiki  |  Let's Talk!  |  I Contribute!  |  Read My Blogs!  | 15:34, 6-1-2015

Oops XD Megadracosaurus (talk) 15:35, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Oh my gosh, this is SERIOUSLY GETTING OUT OF HAND. How long can this argument get anyways? I'm a student right now, quite busy, I'm sure all of you are students too right? I'm COMPLETELY confused and frustrated Every time I check that FireTerryTiger has posted something, it's EXTREMELY LONG!! How much time do you think I have?! I mean...Lightning the Skrill (talk) 6:46, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

Oh and Gian, I'll call you that from now since it's easier. What Astrid said was not "EXTREMELY" dangerous fire. Think of it! It's Kerosene gel! Just fire, if you consider "fire" extremely dangerous than I guess your right but it's not extreme. I hope you know what "KEROSENE" fire is. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 6:54, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

chat
can u chatFireTerryTiger (talk) 04:21, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Fine thanks, talk about what? Here? Lightning the Skrill (talk) 12:22, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

can u chat

pleaseFireTerryTiger (talk) 04:26, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

About what? Lightning the Skrill (talk) 12:26, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

about anything

i was wondering on nightfury page why is charactis and behavior have abilites in.

shouldnt just have behaivor personalty and charactics ahve apperanceFireTerryTiger (talk) 04:29, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Behavior section

charatics section

abilites section

someoen put all thoses together but why they shouldnt do that

FireTerryTiger (talk) 04:30, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Who put them together? What do you mean?Lightning the Skrill (talk) 12:31, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

look at the sections

someone who i guess created that page put charatcis with abilites and behavior with abilitesFireTerryTiger (talk) 04:34, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong. There are Characteristics, behavior sections etc. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 12:47, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

all other pages they have abilites and apperance

why not nightfury

FireTerryTiger (talk) 04:56, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

can we chat its so munch easier then this please preety please

i really bored

FireTerryTiger (talk) 04:57, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I think there isn't problem. The Characteristics are the same as apperence and behavior leads to abilities. Chat where? Lightning the Skrill (talk) 12:58, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Hidden Ability
Nightfury dose not have the ability of alpha mode He challenge the Bilderbeast and won the fight It's common for wolves, lions, and other animals that are sociable to their pack or herd as they will battle the leader or alpha to become the new alpha or leader of that group. Like even Hookfang could battle the Bilderbeast if he broke the Bilderbeast mind control he could battle the alpha. The reason that Toothless have the hidden ability because of VAlka release it. If she realease let's say Hookfang or another drAgon hidden ability or they don't need the hidden ability at all to challenge that dragon. They saw Toothless battle that dragon and they know by instant that he the king. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 05:50, January 29, 2015 (UTC))

Technically, it is LITERALLY IMPOSIBLE for Hookfang to win the Bewilderbeast battle. It doesn't matter how much you like Hookfang, it is Vertually Impossible. Valka didn't release the "Alpha mode" which heats up Toothless with Blue flames. If Hookfang was even afraid of Drago, HOW ON EARTH COULD HE WIN OVER A BEWILDERBEAST????!!!! It is IMPOSIBLE.Lightning the Skrill (talk) 09:41, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Hookfang wasn't afraid of Drago. He was just being control. If Hookfang hidden ability was activated I guess he will have chance to defeat Bilderbeast. Monstrous Nightmare fire power is stat 15 beats Nightfury 14. Its possible (FireTerryTiger (talk) 11:29, January 29, 2015 (UTC))

If Hookfang was the main dragon he can brake free from the Bilderbeast control as well. The only reason that Toothless did because his bond was munch strongest to hear Hiccup voice to brake free even though Hiccup still belive he could be control by the bilderbeast as Hiccup blind gold Toothless so he can only be herd by his best friend voice.

If Snotlout done this with Hookfang he will have the same determination as Toothless. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 11:41, January 29, 2015 (UTC))

Exactly, the director made Toothless the main character and made him very powerful, and they didn't do it with Hookfang. Hookfang was in control of Drago because his species is not as confident or aggressive as other species. Think of it, if Drago had a Speed Stinger or a Night Fury to control, it will be nearly impossible for him. The Night Fury and Speed Stinger are too aggressive for Drago to control. Hookfang DOES NOT HAVE A HIDDEN ABILITY! Not one strong enough to defeat the Bewilderbeast. As explained, the STRIKE CLASS dragons are THE MOST loyal to their riders, the Night Fury and the Skrill, NOT THE MONSTROUS NIGHTMARE. This bond can make the dragon much more aggressive and confident, something that Hookfang DOES NOT HAVE. Even the stats say so, it is physically NOT possible. Kerosene gel is simply FIRE, fire is NOT capable to take down a 500 feet beast without force. Toothless' blast is a Plasma Blast, not all fire. The force is EXTREME. Hookfang's fire is very hot but has NO force. That's why there is a huge disadvantage. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 12:42, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

We are really going back and forth on this Titan/Alpha thing. Though I have evidence!

In Rise of Berk, Valka CLEARLY says that Toothless is a Titan Wing dragon once he gets his glow. Also, he doesn't battle Drago's Bewilderbeast in the game.

Another fact is on the official website. It says Alpha's are not born into power, but is achieved in battle. So pretty much ANY dragon can be an alpha. NightFuryLover31 (talk) 14:07, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Nightfurylover31 That's what I'm trying to say its like animals of today like wolves, lions, and animals of herds fight to become the leader or alpha. Besides being titan dragon doesn't make u alpha. Toothless earn to be alpha dragon to defeat Bilderbeast. It was awesome battle (FireTerryTiger (talk) 15:05, January 29, 2015 (UTC))

Of course Toothless didn't battle the Bewilderbeast in the game. So only Toothless? What do you think? Oh, so the Gronckle, Hotburple, Hideous Zippleback, Seashocker, Flightmare, Whispering Death, Deadly Nadder, Snaptrapper, Scuttleclaw, Snafflefang, Typhoomerang, Timberjack, Scauldron titan winged dragons look GREAT right? So realistic detail is what you are saying with those creatures? It might be true that any dragon can become an alpha, but the glow that Toothless obtained made it even POSSIBLE to become one, do you think that Hookfang could become one? We have NEVER seen any special ability powerful enough to bring it down. The Glow made the Night Fury have a big chance of becoming an alpha, very very few other dragons except the Bewilderbeast itself and the Night Fury can become an alpha. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 05:09, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think the GLOW cause Toothless POSSIBLE to become ALPHA. I think it's way to represent a Titan Nightfury dragon. That's all. It's just away of showing he is Titan dragon that's all (FireTerryTiger (talk) 05:18, January 30, 2015 (UTC))

It kind of does, having the glow causes Toothless to have an extra strenght in his Plasma Blasts, they make the blasts infinite or at least add more, this gives Toothless the chance to defeat the Bewilderbeast, not all dragons can do this, only very few. Lightning the Skrill (talk) 11:44, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

We're never going to convince you otherwise, are we Lightning? NightFuryLover31 (talk) 14:41, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry? Lightning the Skrill (talk) 14:54, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Nightfurylover31 hey I am trying to chat with for while but it's ok. So you also think that Toothless was doing more like animal of fighting the Alpha. Any dragon of their world can become leader if challenge. Look at Toothless he is now the Smallest Alpha Dragon that's good for the Trivia since they are mostly huge Bilderbeast. Toothless is Titan Dragon thanks to Valka unrealse his hidden ability that cause him to get multiple Plasma Blast to defeat the evil king. So basically any dragon can become alpha if they are willing to do it. Even Meatlug, Stormfly could become queen alpha or Hookfang and Barf&Belch or even Cloudjumper. (FireTerryTiger (talk) 15:19, January 30, 2015 (UTC))