User blog comment:Dual Energon/What I think makes HTTYD 2 the supremely better movie./@comment-24018437-20151113155518/@comment-24865409-20151115043232

@ Megadracosaurus

Hiccup didn't take dragon training seriously because he DID NOT WANT TO BE THERE. Is that a crime? Hell no.

"Our parents' war is about to become our own."

It's definitely not a war Hiccup wants any part in at this point by now.

The tribe is basically saying to Hiccup "you're useless if you're not a warrior" - remember Hiccup hasn't been thanked at all for maintaining their weapons - so can you really blame Hiccup for trying to make himself weapons for himself?

If the tribe wants more warriors, then Hiccup at that point would have perceived himself being able to fight as being useful.

If a lion does eat a family member of mine, I would fight to protect my loved ones, yes and maybe even kill the lion in self-defense, but I WOULD NOT wage war with the whole species.

That's something only idiots do.

Never mind that dragons are being forced to attack them, dragons have their own survival instincts too.

In 300 years of war, Hiccup was the first and only time that someone tried to find a better and peaceful way to end it? Clunky writing if you ask me.

What I also have a problem is that the Berkians go "dragons raid us, they're evil", yet vikings were known for their brutality and mercilessness in raids and fighting. Having it pointed out to them that they're no better than the dragons would have added a good layer of complexity to the story, BUT THAT'S NEVER BROUGHT UP.

Heck, dragons treated Hiccup better in a couple of weeks than his tribe did for 15 years! That is NOT rubbed in the Berkians' faces either!

So you see that if one spots a tiger in the distance, leave it alone. And it's okay to harm the tiger in self-defense if it attaacks you.

That's another point that you miss. The Berkians weren't just attacking in self-defense, they also did dragon hunting trips for no reason other than to kill dragons.

About Stoick forcing Hiccup into training, the boy was already saying to his father "you're right, I can't fight dragons" yet Stoick is still to stupid to hear that.

Also, he expects Hiccup to keep a deal that Hiccup didn't even agree to.

If the teens are allowed to put out fires, why doesn't Stoick let Hiccup do that?

At least the tribe would view him as actually doing something. (Even though blacksmith counts as doing something, but hey we're vikings - we're stupid, cruel and abusive idiots!)

Hiccup had betrayed his tribe. A tribe that regularly took the oppotunity to put him down and tell him he was useless. I'd be more than happy to betray that sorry excuse for a tribe.

"No one knew that the dragons could be befriended."

Uh hello?! Hiccup was doing just fine befriending the dragon in the ring until the idiots decided to butt in.

Oh boo-hoo, Stoick felt betrayed.

It's not like he betrayed his son by letting the village scorn him and make him feel unloved, or by telling him he was the worst viking Berk has seen, or telling his son that all of his traits were unlovable and that he almost gave up on him.

Oh wait, Stoick did betray Hiccup first by doing all of the above stuff that I just mentioned!

I'd be glad if I heard of an American soldier and German soldier being friends during WWII.

Maybe if Germany wasn't abused by the other countries, that wouldn't have led to WWII.

So no, I don't mind thinking fondly of that scenario.

Well, HTTYD 1 presented Hiccup as flawless - and Stoick as ABUSIVE (and he was) - so don't blame some people for thinking of those two like that.

Kudos to HTTYD 2 actually showing Hiccup's flaws.

So by your words, the vikings of Berk don't wish to fight.

Well your claim is disproved by Dawn of the Dragon Racers, in which Stoick states that if the Berkians aren't fighting a foreign enemy, they are busy fighting each other. And stocik goes on to say that "vikings always have something to fight about".

So blame the Red Death for all the war. Never mind that killing the Red Death mixes up the film's message of trying to find another way.

Never mind that the Red Death is trying to survive as well.

Hiccup never even tried to find a more peaceful solution for it, for goodness' sake!

Having a scene where everyone gives an apology to Hiccup would make me view the film in a better light, but since there's no such scene... Well I'm not viewing HTTYD 1 in a better light.

And also, since there is no scene where they all apologize to Hiccup, I'm not viewing those characters in a better light either.