User blog comment:Dual Energon/What I think makes HTTYD 2 the supremely better movie./@comment-24018437-20151113155518/@comment-24018437-20151116213250

At the time, no one knew it was working. And yes, Valka did it as well...Only no one saw it. When Stoick saw her and Cloudjumper were in the baby's room, he made the rushed, though logical, conclusion, that the Dragon was threatening his family. And we only know it wasn't crazy because, in the end, it worked. I bet that if you would suddenly walk up to the lion I mentioned, someone would intervere because they think its gonna kill you. The Vikings used, what they thought was, common sense.

The appearance of the animal your breeding does matter. Dogs with flat faces, for example, often have trouble breathing. Sure, its kind. But its also very unhealthy, and most people don't want an unhealthy animal, because they can do less then healthy one's, generally don't live as long and/or cost more time and money to take care of.

Again, Gobber was also a war veteran. That got him respect as well. And the Vikings do actually use some sorts of strategies. Finding blind spots, working in teams and Stoick is also seen making battle plans when they're at the nest, setting up defensive positions and placing catapults on strategic locations.

But that would be confusing and slightly unfair. Every argument I'd make that uses the show, you would consider as non-canon and therefore not true. So I'll try to leave the series out as much as possible from now on. But I will say it didn't seem like Stoick was afraid: rather, he didn't want to fight a war with the Berserkers if it could be prevented. When Oswald the Agreeble was still Chief, that plan was good. When Dagur the Deranged took over...Yeah, he's called 'Deranged'. That's the last argument I'll make that uses the show.

But why did the Nightmare do that? Because he was hunting Hiccup. Why was he hunting Hiccup? Because he was outside the forge. Why was he outside the forge? Because he ignored Gobber's and Stoick's orders of staying inside. I'd usually reply to the apologize part, but I think Toothless (The admin of the wiki, not the dragon.) already gave a perfect reply to that, which I agree with. So I'm not going to bother with that.

I see your point with not truly getting away with it, and agree. Though I do think he deserved that speech from Stoick and Astrid, for reasons I already explained. Hiccup endangered himself and other's.

As for Spitelout, are you talking about his book counterpart or movie version? I don't remember much from his book version as it has been a while since I re-read the series. If you're talking about the movie version...I agree. I think he is even a worse father then Stoick. After he accepted Toothless, he never suggested putting him down. Unlike Spitelout, who adviced Snotlout that dragons were just as much tools as a sword. To which Snotlout thankfully didn't listen too.

And that's just a habit of mine. But plenty of people on the wiki do it, and I also use other arguments that don't resolve around historical arguments.