User blog comment:Dual Energon/What I think makes HTTYD 2 the supremely better movie./@comment-5690373-20151114030013/@comment-5690373-20160112222117

"Once you earn a dragon's loyalty there is nothing it won't do for you"

Exactly, he assumed that Toothless was going to break free when it was quite stupid to do so. Because it doesn't matter how much you and Toothless love each other, that won't matter if the Bewilderbeast is excerting some kind of physical or biological force on your dragon. Friendship doesn't beat nature. What next, is their friendship going to magically heal Toothless whenever he gets sick?

''' Might I point out that the climactic battle in HTTYD 1 could have been avoided if Stoick wasn't such an incompetent fool. '''

Stoick would have been completely out of character then.

He changed the minds of his tribe in HTTYD 1.

Albeit, it was rushed, but he changed their minds nonetheless.

He changed their minds after using dragons to beat the Red Death. Remember every other time he tried to talk the vikings out of killing dragons? It didn't work with Astrid, it didn't work in the arena, it didn't work with Stoick. He never changed anyones mind simply by talking.

''' You mean how like Stoick stupidly put everyone in danger in HTTYD 1? '''

Stoick didn't know about the Red Death. Hiccup was very well informed about who Drago was. Besides, the point was that Hiccup was quite a smart guy in the first movie but he becomes much more stupid in the second one. This is irrelevant to that point.

"Snot, Ruff and Tuff served the purpose of establishing that Hiccup was an outcast in the first movie."

And they never received any karma for it.

They don't need to receive any karma for it, even if everyone thinks they deserve it.

"In the second movie they were there just as comic relief. They were even more irrelevant to the story than in the first movie."

Turning those jerks into comic relief is one of HTTYD 2's better changes.

And they never served a purpose in HTTYD 1 other than to be unbearable idiots.

So first you agree they served a purpose and then you disagree? Either make up your mind or make your point clearer.

She does apologize and that's when their bond seems to finally solidify.

So the entire redemption story of Valka is just, what, two minutes of the entire movie?

Oh yeah, call out Valka but don't call out Stoick for his abusive parenting.

I never called out Valka. Im pointing out that if Hiccup held no grudge then Valka doesn't have to get redeemed in the eyes of noone.

Hiccup didn't even have a grudge against Stoick.

And if he had held a grudge against Valka it would have been out of character for him.

So did you think he would be any different with his mother?

<p style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">I don't know, I don't care.

<p style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">Hypocrite.

<p style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">She just punched him once in HTTYD 2 and grew out of it at the end.

<p style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">She punched him a hell of a lot more in HTTYD 1 and the TV Show. In HTTYD 1 and the TV show Astrid punched a lot more people than just Hiccup. We were lead to believe that was her character, and considering their relationship was just starting hey were almost strangers to one another. But HTTYD 2 established that, after 5 years, Astrid is still physically abusing what is now her boyfriend. Now, you may claim that's what viking relationships were like, that vikings were more barbaric, but I didn't see Valka and Stoick hitting each other. And Astrid thought that Snotlout wouldn't be interested in Ruffnut because she tried to bury him alive, so clearly, there is a level of respect that couples have in this universe.<p style="font-weight:normal;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">It goes against HTTYD 1's message of "dragons are not inherently bad".

<p style="font-weight:normal;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">I would argue that's not the message.

<p style="font-weight:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">The Red Death is just an animal trying to survive and it's slaughtered with no remorse.

<p style="font-weight:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">Hiccup did try to distract it, but ultimately he didn't have any other choice. What would he do? Find several tons of dragon nip? Scratch it? <p style="font-weight:normal;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">'''Drago's village and family and arm were taken from him by dragons. That's enough information (though an additional flashback would have been welcome).'''

<p style="font-weight:normal;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">So that's enough reason to try to be a dictator for you? Because Drago's main goal weren't the dragons, he was using the dragons to control people.

<p style="font-weight:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">And again, if you say the Red Death is just trying to survive, why is it treated as a villain and killed with no remorse?

<p style="font-weight:normal;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">Again, because there was no other choice.