User blog comment:Dual Energon/What I think makes HTTYD 2 the supremely better movie./@comment-24018437-20151113155518/@comment-24865409-20151123020433

@ Megadracosaurus

"I can imagine people were also out for revenge after that."

They already had their revenge. Geramny got rekt at the end of WW2.

"Well, its Dragon training. The entire point of it was to learn how to fight Dragons. Kind of odd if they wouldn't fight then, wouldn't it?"

It's not odd that they want to fight.

It's odd that they're idealizing it as an awesome, glorious battle where the amount of inuries you get show your badassery.

"Japan would surrender. It was only a matter of time. The bombing sped things up. That was literally it."

They'd surrendur only after we'd crush them. This is a culture where'd they fight to the end, or they'd kill themselves if they failed.

And most people had enough of Japan's stubborness and refusal to surrendur, so we went ahead with the bombing.

"Punishing a country for many generations to come, even if those who did wrong are long dead by then?"

That may or may not have been a harsh punishment, but at nowadays Japan are on top of the world - and they did that honourably this time.

Okay, so you have evidence of President Eisenhower saying the bomb was unnecessary.

But find an answer as to why the bombing still went ahead.

"So that's your idea of justice? Avenging innocent people by killing MORE innocent people who had nothing to do with it and did nothing to you?"

I already said I'd target the ones responsible. If innocents get caught in the crossfire, well then they're collateral damage.

Actually read all my points before making your argument.

"It was just a slaughter for revenge with the excuse of hunting down terrorists..."

Terrorists deserve to die and burn in Hell. Enough said.

And the innocent lives lost in the US invasion of Iraq were just collateral damage.

Let the US hunt down the terrorists. No matter the cost.

"And how could they have stopped them? Perhaps there is someone in your country who is planning a terrorist attack right now. Do you know exactly where he or she is and how you can stop him or her?"

I would want America, or Britain or some other world superpower to step in and hunt down the terrorists by whatever means necessary.

"The terrorists aren't shouting from their rooftops they're terrorists and that they're going to fly airplanes into buildings."

However, they have been posting online videos and photos of the atroicites they have committed.

One would think that in a high-tech world such as ours, we would have tracked down the bastards by now.

"And back to that terrorist in your country: if that terrorist attacks, is it justice if the country he attacked will start killing you and your family, even if you had nothing to do with it and might just be as shocked at his or her crime?"

If we're just collateral damage or sacrifices, then I'm fine with that.

In fact, we'd have common sense and join those who are actually doing something to hunt down the terrorist.

"If a black person kills someone, does that mean ALL black people have to be punished for it?"

Not all black people should be punished.

But there will be some collateral damage.

"And your moral code is killing innocent people for revenge, even if they never committed the crime you're avenging in the first place? You're not attacking the one's responsible, you're just killing for the sake of killing."

How many times... READ MY ARGUMENTS PROPERLY.

I said I'd kill the ones responsible.

You have a point about Hitler. But maybe there would have been no need for him if not for nearly everyone in the world stepping on Germany post-WW1 any chance they got.

"I believe the responsible person should be punished."

So do I. But the point I'm saying is that unintentional killings are collateral damage.

"A terrorist who just happen to be Middle-Eastern commits crime? Better kill thousands of random Middle-Eastern people to return the favor!"

The terrorists have their headquarters in the the Middle East.

So what I'm saying is bomb the headquarters.

Sure there may be innocents killed, but it is collateral damage and a necessary sacrifice.

"The Shivering Shores for one."

Good.

But could we actually see them, and have them be in the plot and affect the story other than just offhand mentions?

The Books had other tribes AND made them integral to the plots.

"...and we saw the Chieftains of other Tribes in HTTYD 2."

I stated that HTTYD 2 was an exception because that was the first time we had other tribes actually be of significance to the plot rather than just offhand mentions.

And HTTYD 2 was the only story in the movie-verse where the other tribes had a minor yet significant role.

"Maybe the Tribes in the Movie!Universe aren't as social as in the books? They probably just keep to their own business and only have relations with a few other Tribes."

Even so, it's odd to have Movie Stoick and Movie Hiccup be concerned with tribal politics when we haven't actually seen them interacting with other tribes.

"Yeah. For her fighting skills. If someone liked me ONLY because I'm good at sport, I wouldn't want to be friends with that person either."

At that point, Astrid was everything that Hiccup wasn't.

So no, it was not just her fighting skills or her beauty that Hiccup found attractive.

"She had a reason to be angry at him after the accident with the Nadder."

Yeah - AFTER the Nadder incident.

What about beforehand?

"Meh. Its kind of like her thing, I suppose."

If you're neutral about her violent communication, then I guess you're okay. At least you're not crying out that that stupid gag should continue.

I, on the other hand, am glad that they have scrapped Astrid's violent communication in the 2nd Movie.

But I do want to see how she stops her violent communication in Seasons 3 and 4.

If not, then... at least she completely stops using her violent communication by the time of HTTYD 2.

"We only see events in the series that are for character development (Usually Fishlegs, which I'm really puzzled about...No, seriously! Aside from Hiccup, Fishlegs has the most episodes centered around him.)"

...Really? The main characters haven't changed much to me.

Although I agree about Fishlegs. But only Fishlegs.

And another thing I hate about the show is that yes, most episodes are about Hiccup. And yet he hasn't developed much at all in the show.

Give the others more spotlight and development (aside from Fishlegs because he's developing perfectly) for goodness' sake, writers!

"...introducing a new character or Dragon species, or showing an important event."

So far, the only new major characters that have been introduced are Alvin, Mildew, Heather and Dagur.

I'm excluding Johann because he's more of a secondary character that provides comic relief.

Alvin and Mildew's arcs were wrapped up at the end of Season 2.

Dagur has become stale after 3 seasons.

Only Heather is actually providing something to the show - even more than what Snotlout and the Twins provide.

And yet only 4 episodes have Heather as the focus.

Come on writers - you can do better than that.

Regarding the introduction of new dragon species, introducing lots of dragons wouldn't be too bland if they could actually communicate.

Another brilliant thing about the Books is that lots of dragons were integral and had character because they could communicate.

In the show, when lots of new dragons are inroduced, I'm just seeing wild dragon after wild dragon.

So far, the only wild dragons that have developed enough of a personality for me to care about and remember are Scauldy, Torch and Smidvarg.

Those three dragons have only had an episode or two where they are the focus, and then they're relegated to minor characters.

Come on writers - you can do better.

And regarding the TV Show presenting important events...

The only events that have affected the movies' storylines are:

Hiccup repairing Alvin and Stoick's friendship (making him overconfident in his peacekeeping abilities).

The discovery of the "Great Beyond" (exploring the world and hinting at Drago).

Heck, none of the things that Dagur, Heather and Mildew have done have had any effect on HTTYD 2.

Come on writers. Only 2 important events in 3 seasons?

You can definitely do better than that.

"We don't get to see the everyday life of the characters."

Which means that they aren't developed much and therefore we don't give a damn about most of them.

"Which sucks, because I'm all for seeing an episode centered around Hiccup's and Astrid's relationship."

So am I.

But hey, at least we can enjoy some proper Hiccstrid in HTTYD 2.